Comment from chris
Time: August 17, 2007, 11:34 am

I think it comes down to the sense of humour - the Spanish never laugh at themselves. The Catalans claim to have “Northern”, ie British, sense of humour but in practice this just means that they laugh at the Spanish. They are good at moaning but without any self-criticism. The problem is that as guiris we tend to judge things by our customs - whether our famed sense of humour is really any better or just a social safety valve is another issue.

Comment from Amy
Time: August 17, 2007, 11:45 am

This past weekend I was visiting some Spanish friends over in Reus (Tarragona). Some of them were asking questions about the States and we got into a lengthy discussion about some of the things I like and dislike about Spain and likewise for my husband (Spanish) about the States, where we’ve also lived. In the end we unanimously decided (the “we” being one American and 7 Spaniards) that the Spanish have a fairly hefty inferiority complex. Unfortunately we could not figure out quite where that complex comes from…

Comment from ryan
Time: August 17, 2007, 11:48 am

Well at least you figured out how to get some good participation from them! Maybe I need to be more critical of their wines, and see what happens over at CV…Seriously though, I hear Spaniards complain about Spain all the time when I travel for business, but I have learned to listen and not chime in. When I find my self agreeing they don’t like that so much!

Comment from Ben
Time: August 17, 2007, 11:52 am

“In the end we unanimously decided (the “we” being one American and 7 Spaniards) that the Spanish have a fairly hefty inferiority complex. Unfortunately we could not figure out quite where that complex comes from…” Now THAT is an interesting question! I have a few ideas, but I think I have caused enough ire for one week…

Comment from Frank
Time: August 17, 2007, 11:57 am

Similar thing in “a guiris living in Spain” forum, they seem quite content to moan about most things, but when any outsider (for that, read me!) dares to criticise any aspect of Spain or Spanish life, they immediately get on their high horses. You don’t even live here, what do you know about it! Probably a lot more than a lot of them. They rarely speak Spanish, know nothing about Spanish history, and seemed to move just for the weather.
Re. the “spaniard”, I look forward to his return, to his valuable contributions in his broken English, best laugh I have had in a long time. He sounds like the Spanish equivalent of Manuel in Fawlty Towers. Fortunately, most Spanish I have met, have been the complete opposite of him, and have been charming, pleasant people. Siempre hay uno.

Comment from The Big Chorizo
Time: August 17, 2007, 12:09 pm

Well done Ben!

I wonder if it’s the same ‘Spaniard’ that appeared in my ‘conversations’?

Comment from parubin
Time: August 17, 2007, 12:46 pm

I’m a Spaniard myself and in the former post about spanish rudeness I didn’t hesitate in agreeing that there is some truth in it.

Having said that, I think it is clear that many people (both in Spain and any other country in the world) take it kind of hard to admit or to go along with gerenalized critics involving national stereotypes from unknown foreigners.

I think this is easy to understand. I doesn´t neccessarily mean we don´t have a sense of humour or we don´t like to laugh about ourselves. If I go to England, Ireland, France, Italy or the US (countries which customs and stereotypes I am quite familiar with) I wouldn’t dare to point clichés out to the first local round the corner, as he or she could easily be offended, but I would certainly not have a problem of making (and taking) friendly jokes to (and from) foreign friends.

I think the point that the member known as ‘Spaniard’ completely missed is that those comments (about us, Spaniards being rude) might be true or might be not, but in any case, they were made within the ‘notesfromspain’ virtual community which is well known for its love and respect for Spain and its people, thus it was no made by annoying unknown foreigners trying to patronize our culture and raise ire among us.

Comment from Andrew
Time: August 17, 2007, 12:50 pm

It’s sad that a negatively toned blog gets the biggest reaction. I can see the irony in that most of the comments are from Brit/American hyenas - experts at exporting their unique brand of repulsiveness.

These are quite interesting questions that Ben asks but rely on crude generalisations and the cynic in me suggests that this is just to get the hit rate on the site up.

I don’t believe for one millisecond that Ben thinks ‘the Spanish’ are rude in general. The question about over sensitivity is more interesting and I do find it is difficult to have a negative view about Spanish life without upsetting some Spaniards. But I also think it is the same for foreigners coming to England - they can’t offer a negative view without someone shouting, “well if you don’t like it, why don’t you clear off back to where you came from”. Any chance we could persuade some of you moaning guiris to make the same exit from Spain?

Comment from ValenciaSon
Time: August 17, 2007, 12:56 pm

Do you think the years of Franco’s oppression, where he tried to squelch individuality and set Spain back compared to the rest of Europe, economically and technologically, contributes to their national inferiority complex?

Comment from moscow
Time: August 17, 2007, 1:18 pm

Ben,
I totally agree, Spaniards are not very good at taking in criticism from foreigners, although they are usually quite adept at criticising their own country themselves. Then again, how can I put this politely? I have yet to meet a Briton ready to listen to criticism from foreigners. While living in the UK I took always great care not to hurt local sensibilities, aware as I was of the possible reaction.

Comment from moscow
Time: August 17, 2007, 1:25 pm

As for the inferiority complex, that is also true. Partly, I believe, it might be a result of the Francoist past, but I think it’s something deeper. You would have to dig further into Spain’s past to find an answer, if at all.

Comment from ValenciaSon
Time: August 17, 2007, 1:32 pm

Is there something in Spain’s past that left a larger and more destructive impact than the Franco years? I’m asking because I’m no expert in Spanish history but it seems like Franco may have a monopoly on affecting Spain as it is today. What other influence has there been?

Comment from moscow
Time: August 17, 2007, 1:58 pm

Roy Hattersley once said the British had an inferiority complex vis-a-vis Europe. Well, that’s his opinion. Nevertheless, I believe all nations hide some complex or other beneath the surface. The Franco regime has certainly not been the best contribution to Spain’s image (and self-image). But Spain carries with it a long history of decline and defeat since the heydays of Charles V & Son, and an inferiority feeling did already exist long before Franco.

Comment from Beckett
Time: August 17, 2007, 3:27 pm

There is a national inferiority complex in Spain. No doubt about it. You see this with language education. I’ve met countless Spaniards who say that they will never learn how to speak English fluently because it is just too difficult, the pronounciation is too hard, there are too many variations of English accents, etc, etc. I doubt the French and the Italians suffer from the same vergüenza.

Another case in point…the fact that countries like France and Italy are known the world over for their excellent wines and cuisine and Spain, while coming into its own, still struggles to be considered in the same league as France and Italy. Why is it easier to find French and Italian meats and cheeses in gourmet shops? Why is it easier to find Italian olive oil than Spanish, when olive oil is a huge industry for the Spain? In fact, I’ve heard that Spanish olive oil is sold under Italian brand names in the U.S. because the prevailing view in the U.S. of a quality olive oil is that it must be Italian. Incredible.

The French and the Italians, as a whole, do not suffer from an inferiority complex. In fact, in the case of the French, it is a superiority complex. And both of those countries have done an excellent job at internationally marketing their culture. Spain needs to take a master class in how to market itself from the Italians and the French.

And in response to Valencia Son’s question about what the deeper cause is, the answer, I believe, has a strong connection to the Catholic religion and the strong, integral presence/influence it has had in all aspects of Spanish culture and history.

If “Spainard” would like to rationally weigh in with a response, I’m eager to hear what he has to say.

Comment from Frank
Time: August 17, 2007, 4:57 pm

“In fact, in the case of the French, it is a superiority complex.”

That’s a gross understatement!

Comment from Andrew
Time: August 17, 2007, 6:40 pm

Why isn’t Ben, or even better Marina, fighting the corner for Spain here? I mean, Beckett’s comments about the wine and food are just outrageously insulting.

Comment from Colin
Time: August 17, 2007, 6:50 pm

It’s quite ironic, Ben, that you get such a reaction as I tend to think you are a tad genteel on this issue. Perhaps because Marina is standing near with a rolling pin!

I’ve been preparing a dissertation on the question of Spanish rudeness for some time but, as you can appreciate, I’m constantly fine tuning it so as to give as little ammunition as possible to those Spaniards for whom anything remotely critical is too much. And because, of course, I want to be as objective as possible.

As of now, I’ll just make what I think are two incontrovertible points:- 1. The Spanish do often come across as rude to people from other cultures, and 2. The Spanish are absolutely horrified at the thought that others consider them rude, as they regard themselves as the most ‘noble’ people on earth.

This dichotomy can be explained but it’s not easy. That said, I must admit I found your conclusion the other day that the Spanish are not rude but just different to be a bit of a cop out . . .

All the best.

Comment from ValenciaSon
Time: August 17, 2007, 7:35 pm

Colin give us the Readers’ Digest version of your dissertation.

Comment from Edith
Time: August 17, 2007, 8:46 pm

It’s been a very interesting discussion so far! I don’t live in Spain myself so I find it hard to say whether Spaniards are more sensitive in this regard than other nationalities. Many people do not take kindly to outsiders criticizing their country, especially the patriotically inclined who always believe in ‘my country right or wrong’.

Nationalists usually resort to strawman tactics in order to silence their foreign opponents instead of using rational arguments.

Some nationalities have a strong sense of history which may affect their willingness to accept criticism from outsiders.

Mexicans, for instance, tend to be VERY VERY sensitive to criticism coming from ‘gringos’ and some foreign journalists have even been deported from the country after criticizing government policy.

The root causes of this attitude are quite understandable because Mexico has been through several foreign invasions, but free speech is free speech!

The situation in Spain looks quite tame by comparison really. But somehow, it does seem to have touched a raw nerve as well.

P.s.: as far as I’m concerned, Spaniard’s command of the English language is irrelevant here. Some of us are still struggling with the intricacies of the Spanish language so hey, be a good sport and give him a break!

Comment from Beckett
Time: August 18, 2007, 12:08 am

Andrew,
How is it an insult to say that it is more difficult to procure Spanish food and wine than French and Italian food products in gourmet shops in the U.S.? I think Spanish food and wine is excellent. My point is that the Spanish food industry hasn’t been as effective a marketer of its products as the French and Italian wine and food industry. They’re getting better at marketing but they’re still not there yet, marketingwise.

Sure you’re not Spanish? There’s that thin skin again!

Comment from Andrew
Time: August 18, 2007, 12:32 am

Ok, Beckett, I don’t know how it looks from the US side but from the UK it looks like the Spanish do pretty well at marketing their products. I think in the US it could be that Spanish is associated with S America not Europe and therefore there is a discriminatory aspect to the alleged unpopularity of Spanish produce? Please forgive the generalisation.

Comment from David Emery
Time: August 18, 2007, 7:32 am

I don’t think this is necessarily a particularity of any ONE nation, country, or culture. In fact, even if you go within one nation, criticism by those viewed as being on the “outside” is not taken well by those who are in the “inside”. I know firsthand that Americans do not take well to criticism (especially that which is made by the French) and the French don’t like criticism from anyone. Spain, of course, is a special circumstance within the “developed” Western world given the fact that, as ValenciaSon pointed out, Spain was the last country (aside from East Germany) to move towards democratic ideals.

I will admit, however, that this anti-criticism attitude is particularly strong in Catalonia where the separationist feelings are probably the strongest (albeit non-violent). I think this stems from the idea that any criticism of their culture is affront to their efforts to carve out any unique identity within Spain.

The point is that most of us, including myself, get very tense when someone foreign criticizes our home. This is oftentimes in spite of the fact that we may agree with them at least on some level. For example, when I was living in France it became quite tiresome when I had French people constantly badgering about President Bush despite the fact that I never voted for him and am very critical of him myself.

We all have to be willing to accept that there are bad and good things about every nation, culture, country, and person.

Comment from spaniard
Time: August 18, 2007, 7:56 am

Well, reading all the comments, the only interesting thing i have read is beckett comment about problems of some spanish products marketing for the usa. I have my theory about this, but I think is not very politically correct, but its very curious that this problem only happens in the usa.

PD. I have noticed that almost all the reasons for attaching me is my poor english. Thanks, it makes fell very good.

Comment from ValenciaSon
Time: August 18, 2007, 1:35 pm

Well I don’t think the US has imposed a cultural embargo on all things Spanish. Rather, I believe the Italians and the French has not had the years of imposed isolation, thanks to Franco. During the years when Spain remained insular, there was no opportunity for international marketing, that which the rest of Europe enjoyed. So the Americans left with little or no knowledge of Spain, filled that void based on speculation stemming from Latin America. Rather than bitch about it, I hope Spain will get busy in marketing now because there’s a lot the world is missing out on.

Comment from Andrew
Time: August 18, 2007, 1:57 pm

I don’t think Spain is bitching about it valenciason - that claim if it is true came from a non-Spaniard.

Comment from Beckett
Time: August 18, 2007, 4:24 pm

Yes, ValenciaSon is right. A big part of the reason why France and Italy loom so large in the current American consciousness, is because of WWII and all those G.I.s who came home from Europe with positive impressions about the culture and the cuisine of France and Italy. If only history had been different……

Comment from Beckett
Time: August 18, 2007, 4:25 pm

…for Spain.

Comment from bebb
Time: August 18, 2007, 5:02 pm

Here are my two cents as someone who grew up in Britain, lives in the US, and spends all his summers in Spain (Vigo) with his Spanish wife.

I don’t think any national group takes kindly to criticism from outsiders. (Americans have an expression that they apply to critical outsiders: “love it or leave it, buddy.”) I don’t think that Spaniards are, in this respect, any more sensitive than British or Americans. Having said that, I think that “outsiders” often see national characters more accurately than “insiders.”

So here are my two cents. The Spaniards are “personally” as warm and friendly and as kind a people as you could ever hope to meet. Yet they often treat each other when acting “impersonally” in very inconsiderate ways. In fact, I don’t think that Spaniards have a very well-developed sense of “impersonal” politeness or manners. Note the way that they disturb each other with their excessive noise or their double-parking or the way that they drive.

Since I have just criticized Spain, let me add two briefer criticisms of the British and Americans. The British have become vulgar and drunken and uncultured. Whether individually or nationally, they lack a sense of the aesthetic. They are, in short, boorish. Their national media celebrates boorishness. This boorishness is layered upon a class-infected snobbery and a general lack of human warmth. The English, in particular, are very cold fish.

Americans lack a sense of humor. They are earnest and conformist and deeply pious.

Comment from ValenciaSon
Time: August 18, 2007, 6:21 pm

@bebb: Boy are you ever capable of generalizing! All Brits are uncultured drunk, boorish and lacking in aesthetic? We, the US lack a sense of humor in the US? That’s absurd! And pious? Please! I an atheist. I’m from the US, born and raised, but my father is from Spain and I lived there for a time and have visited so I’m not exactly a stranger to that culture.

Comment from ValenciaSon
Time: August 18, 2007, 6:21 pm

@bebb: Boy are you ever capable of generalizing! All Brits are uncultured drunks, boorish and lacking in aesthetic? We, the US lack a sense of humor in the US? That’s absurd! And pious? Please! I an atheist. I’m from the US, born and raised, but my father is from Spain and I lived there for a time and have visited so I’m not exactly a stranger to that culture.

Comment from bebb
Time: August 18, 2007, 6:45 pm

To Valencia Sun:

“Boy are you ever capable of generalizing!”

Yes. That’s the point when speaking about national character. Of course, to say that country x has a national character that includes properties y and z, does not entail that all people from country x have properties y and z. No one could sensibly claim otherwise. Thus you might be an atheist. Some Americans are. But America remains the most religious country in the western hemisphere–much more religious than either Spain or Britain, for instance. And that, my friend, is a sociological fact. It can be measured empirically by opinion polls and church attendance figures. A sense of humor is harder to measure. But I stand by my generalization: British people are, in general, uncomfortable when others take themselves or the world very seriously; Americans are, in general, uncomfortable, when others are ironic, witty, or unserious. In Britain, the word “earnest” is generally used only pejoratively; that’s not true in the USA. I don’t know enough about the Spanish sense of humor. I suspect that it is very different from either the British or the American.

Comment from ValenciaSon
Time: August 18, 2007, 7:02 pm

Maybe you overestimate your knowledge of the US, in all earnest.

Comment from Frank
Time: August 18, 2007, 10:49 pm

“I totally agree, Spaniards are not very good at taking in criticism from foreigners, although they are usually quite adept at criticising their own country themselves.”

They are indeed, many see themselves as “un pais tercermundista”, “un país de mierda”. A little harsh, I think, but their words not mine. I’ll continue to enjoy my visits there.
http://elreporter.com/index.php?p=369&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1

Comment from richardksa
Time: August 19, 2007, 8:48 pm

Many are the conversations I have with Spaniards based on the differences between our two countries. And many are the times we have ended up agreeing that there is good and bad to be found in both cultures. I have never met a Spaniard who became outraged that I should pass comment on the way Spain does things. Very often though it is a matter of something seeming strange to me just needing a bit of explanation. The Spanish are quite willing to understand that for me some of the aspects of their culture need that explanation, and then begin to wonder exactly why it is so.
Last week I was involved in a really down and dirty arguement on Spanish politics. None of the Spaniards remarked adversely on me putting in my four cents worth. They just accepted that I was speaking from knowledge and not from ignorance. That to me is a sign of healthy tolerance, respect and an ability to recogniose that not all is right in the peninsular. Of course they can accept criticism. But they don’t like to be insulted. But what nation does?

Comment from ryan
Time: August 20, 2007, 12:35 am

As to the marketing points, I work in this area. What I’ve seen is that Spaniards, or at least in the wine industry, are marketing to foreigners like there were Spanish themselves. When you market to an foreign market you need to change the method, and the message. What works for a Spanish consumer, DOES NOT work for an American consumer.

Comment from ValenciaSon
Time: August 20, 2007, 2:35 am

@ Ryan, I’m sure this goes on in other segments of the market.

Comment from moscow
Time: August 20, 2007, 5:43 am

I am a spaniard. I have lived for 10 years in the UK, and I have been now living for 8 years in Russia. Are Spaniards rude? If you take the British and American point of view, they most probably are. But should this point of view - which is not universal - be the measure of all things? Can I put forward to you the many ways in which the British or the Americans may seem rude to other nations, without ever realising it themselves? In future, Spain, and it’s people, have their work cut out for them. They should get out more, and learn more and harder about other people’s cultures. No doubt. But I am optimistic. Globalisation, inmigration, the EU, will see to that.

Comment from Frank
Time: August 20, 2007, 8:57 am

“Are Spaniards rude? If you take the British and American point of view, they most probably are”

I think we agree. Given that most of the members here are British or Americans, then the answer to the question, here at least, would be yes.

“Can I put forward to you the many ways in which the British or the Americans may seem rude to other nations, without ever realising it themselves?”

Of course you can! In fact, you already have! But the question that was asked was “Are the Spanish rude” Nothing in the question about whether we are, but you could always start that as a separate thread. It’s very possible we are rude, but of course, that’s no excuse for the Spanish to be rude, just because we may be.

Comment from Andrew
Time: August 20, 2007, 10:32 am

Frank,
You claim that there is agreement that the Spanish are rude among the ‘members’ here. How appalling that sounds and it is to the detriment of this website that you make that statement - surely others who would describe themselves as members will pull you up on that.

I’m so glad I’m not a ‘member’ here as I’m a Brit and I do not think the Spanish are rude. I’ve come across a few that are but that’s life in any country in the world. You demonstrate that the knowledge you have of Spain and the Spanish is totally superficial.

Saludos.

Comment from Frank
Time: August 20, 2007, 11:03 am

“You demonstrate that the knowledge you have of Spain and the Spanish is totally superficial.”

Don’t make the mistake of thinking that perhaps everyone else is as clever and as well informed as yourself. Of course, that would be impossible, but us lesser mortals, some of us who having been visiting Spain for well over 20 years, still have our opinions, and as this is an open forum, and I am a member, I shall continue to express them. If my opinions do not agree with yours, then I make no apologies for that, ¡Así es la vida!

Comment from Andrew
Time: August 20, 2007, 11:37 am

Frank, I didn’t say you were not entitled to your view - I said that your claim that there there was some kind of collective view here among members that the Spanish were rude was appalling. So, no need to get uppity.

“Don’t make the mistake of thinking that perhaps everyone else is as clever and as well informed as yourself.”

No te preocupes, no he cometido ese error, en tu caso.

“…some of us who having been visiting Spain for well over 20 years”

Como he dicho, totalmente superficial.

Comment from ValenciaSon
Time: August 20, 2007, 12:30 pm

Well then, now that we have achieved a happy balance, perhaps we should move this to another question, such as what can we and those of our countries do to be less rude to others?

Comment from ValenciaSon
Time: August 20, 2007, 12:30 pm

Well then, now that we have achieved a happy balance, perhaps we should move this to another question, such as what can we and those of our countries do to be less rude to others?

Comment from Frank
Time: August 20, 2007, 1:59 pm

“No te preocupes, no he cometido ese error, en tu caso.”

I believe you, someone as gifted as yourself is incapable of making any error. Not so sure I like your use of the tu form though.

“…some of us who having been visiting Spain for well over 20 years”

Como he dicho, totalmente superficial”

Agreed again! Compare to your superior, in depth knowledge of everything, it could never be anything but superficial. But superficial or not, it´s my opinion, and I´ll continue to express it.

Comment from Margot
Time: August 21, 2007, 5:45 am

“Can The Spanish Take Criticism?”

Thats the title given to this thread by Ben when he began it.
Having just read thru all the comments above I’d ask:

“(Why) Can’t (certain) British take Criticism by Other British or Americans of the Way in which the Spanish Take Criticism”? (a winking smiley should go here)

Comment from Ilse
Time: August 23, 2007, 10:55 am

I’m not sure whether this is really a topic. I come from a small country (Belgium) and my mother tongue is a minor language (Dutch), so I grew up making fun of all this (in history class we were taught the history of all European forces, as in the past, they all, apart from the british Empire (but there was the link Queen Victoria-Belgian royals, so we were taught that too ;-)) at one time invaded the country!). So I tend to believe that most nationals from important countries, or even from important language groups, tend to have a very strong chauvinistic feeling. Some cover it with humour, others with colonial “knowledge/history”, still others keep hold of the importance of their language in certain areas (diplomatics, science…), but they all have it! And certain history facts (Spaniards and Italians emigrating to Belgium/France/Switserland/Germany for work in mid-20th Century) might give extra cause to the inferiority complex somebody was writing about. Personally, after having lived for almost 15 years abroad (France, UK, Spain), I am more chauvinistic now, as a counterweight to the nationals of the countries I’m living in, I guess…
On the other hand, I must say that I’m really upset if some wise guy/girl who has just been on holidays to Belgium, starts telling me the “finesses” of the language problem in my country. Translating this to living abroad : the chances I spend most of my time abroad with fellow countrymen is small, but that isn’t the case for a lot of other nationalities. And I have seen a lot of Spanish, Greeks, English stick together in their little groups while living abroad …so, when they say they’ve living x years in a certain country, it gives them a false feeling of knowing things, as they really have seen only the “for tourist eyes only” details. Very often, these same people get offended when you imply they might not know the situation that well…

Comment from Pepino (Dave Hall)
Time: August 23, 2007, 1:48 pm

David Emery made this (accurate in my opinion) observation earlier…

“I will admit, however, that this anti-criticism attitude is particularly strong in Catalonia where the separationist feelings are probably the strongest (albeit non-violent). I think this stems from the idea that any criticism of their culture is affront to their efforts to carve out any unique identity within Spain.”

… and it that made me think of a quirky reaction I once got in my office here in Barcelona (Catalunya, of course). Basically, there was an email bouncing around the office about a night out. It was all very jokey and everyone was pulling everyone’s leg about who would be paying for the drinks etc. I was joining in with the cheeky remarks to the point where I think I surprised a few people as I managed to get a few cool/witty digs into the conversation, and someone made a light-hearted comment that “Dave is getting more españolizado by the minute and if he thinks he’s so clever, he should step up and pay for the drinks himself!” to which I said I’m too tight to pay and that… “if I was any tighter, I’d be a TRUE Catalan for sure!” (as they of course have a bad rep for being a bit mean with money). Honestly, you could sense the atmosphere instantly freeze over across the office! It was like I’d just kicked a pensioner or something! The light mood ground to a halt, and the next replies were all serious.

The effect was only momentary, but I definitely felt a shiver, and it’s made me extra careful about digging into anyone’s ribs on the subject of money in the future! jeje

Ironically, one of my closest friends, who is a mega-proud Catalan, openly admits that he can be really tight

Comment from las palmas
Time: September 4, 2007, 2:21 pm

I’m spanish, and foreigners could think that spanish are rude because spanish people are in general more extrovert and speak louder, and we move more our hands and our body while we are speaking. In my opinon, it’s important go beyond surface to discover a new culture. Spanish people are polite in general. About the topic that spaniards can’t take criticism, I think that we don’t like, over all, the criticism from people of the north of Europe. This criticism have a lot of times many false stereotypes, things like spaniards don’t like working, (spaniards work more hours than many other european countries), etc…Y ahora unas palabrillas en español, ¡hasta luego lucas!, cuuuuuñaaaaaao.