Comments on: Organic Food and Moving Your Dog to Spain – NFS Forum http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/ Podcasts and comment on travel, tapas, learning Spanish and living in Spain, plus beautiful Spain photos. Tue, 24 Jan 2012 08:00:59 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.2.1 By: vince http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-82684 vince Tue, 10 Feb 2009 14:05:50 +0000 http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/#comment-82684 Hi... My name is Vince... I just checked out your website and it has inspired me to contact you... In april 2009, I plan to travel into spain by campervan in a search for a suitable plot of land to convert into a permaculture farm with other free energy projects going on in the background.. I am looking for other people with the same mindset to jon me in the project that is willing to work and contribute.. Should you or someone you know has an interest in this avenue i will be happy to hear from you. I can be contacted by reply to this e-mail address or if you would like to talk to me directly, My uk mobile number is 07887-606-933. Kindest regards Vince. Hi…

My name is Vince…

I just checked out your website and it has inspired me to contact you…

In april 2009, I plan to travel into spain by campervan in a search for a suitable plot of land
to convert into a permaculture farm with other free energy projects going on in the background..

I am looking for other people with the same mindset to jon me in the project that is willing to
work and contribute..

Should you or someone you know has an interest in this avenue i will be happy to hear from you.

I can be contacted by reply to this e-mail address or if you would like to talk to me directly,
My uk mobile number is 07887-606-933.

Kindest regards Vince.

]]> By: Maria S. http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-38165 Maria S. Sun, 06 Jul 2008 20:00:40 +0000 http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/#comment-38165 Just a couple of days I finished reading the book "Under the Skin" by Michel Faber. It is a story about callousness and lack of empathy with other beings. In other words - reversed roles of people and animals. Reading this book gave me a much better sense of how much people really impose on animals. Has anyone else read it? Just a couple of days I finished reading the book “Under the Skin” by Michel Faber.
It is a story about callousness and lack of empathy with other beings. In other words – reversed roles of people and animals. Reading this book gave me a much better sense of how much people really impose on animals.
Has anyone else read it?

]]> By: Bill http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-38156 Bill Sun, 06 Jul 2008 12:25:55 +0000 http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/#comment-38156 Of course poodles don't need such a good sense of smell to know when it's time for din-dins. It is a trait they inherited from their ancestors. As you say, their ancestors needed to hunt to survive, but poodles don't. So for poodles, a good sense of smell is not a survival trait. Poodles require other survival traits, such as behaving and appearing in a way that is appealing to a human, so that the human will give them their din-dins, so they don't need to hunt for it. Other survival traits for poodles include being able to live in a small flat, and not requiring excessive exercise. Wolves for example don't have these survival traits, so they don't survive in domestic environments. You seem to be assuming that traits that help dogs survive in a domestic environment don't count, while traits that help dogs survive in the wild do. I think that maybe where we disagree. Of course poodles don’t need such a good sense of smell to know when it’s time for din-dins. It is a trait they inherited from their ancestors. As you say, their ancestors needed to hunt to survive, but poodles don’t. So for poodles, a good sense of smell is not a survival trait.

Poodles require other survival traits, such as behaving and appearing in a way that is appealing to a human, so that the human will give them their din-dins, so they don’t need to hunt for it.

Other survival traits for poodles include being able to live in a small flat, and not requiring excessive exercise. Wolves for example don’t have these survival traits, so they don’t survive in domestic environments.

You seem to be assuming that traits that help dogs survive in a domestic environment don’t count, while traits that help dogs survive in the wild do. I think that maybe where we disagree.

]]> By: Edith http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-38155 Edith Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:58:01 +0000 http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/#comment-38155 ... or a cow. … or a cow.

]]> By: Edith http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-38154 Edith Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:50:32 +0000 http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/#comment-38154 I feel sorry for the little dog in his cow suit, too. This is a toy, not a pet. Why not buy a Tamagochi instead! :-(( I feel sorry for the little dog in his cow suit, too. This is a toy, not a pet. Why not buy a Tamagochi instead! :-( (

]]> By: ValenciaSon http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-38135 ValenciaSon Sun, 06 Jul 2008 00:35:00 +0000 http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/#comment-38135 But poodles descend from a lineage that evolved to hunt to survive. Poodles don't have 13,000 times more olfactory cranial nerves than humans just so that they know when their owner is opening up a can of Alpo. But poodles descend from a lineage that evolved to hunt to survive. Poodles don’t have 13,000 times more olfactory cranial nerves than humans just so that they know when their owner is opening up a can of Alpo.

]]> By: Bill http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-38131 Bill Sat, 05 Jul 2008 23:00:27 +0000 http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/#comment-38131 @ValenciaSon -...and a wolf will struggle to survive in a domestic environment ;-) Of course I knew what you were getting at, I just wanted to point out that it's not a question of having more, less or enough survival traits - it's a question of having the most appropriate survival traits. Poodles need to survive as much as any other animal, they just do it in a different way. @ValenciaSon -…and a wolf will struggle to survive in a domestic environment ;-) Of course I knew what you were getting at, I just wanted to point out that it’s not a question of having more, less or enough survival traits – it’s a question of having the most appropriate survival traits. Poodles need to survive as much as any other animal, they just do it in a different way.

]]> By: ValenciaSon http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-38102 ValenciaSon Sat, 05 Jul 2008 01:18:41 +0000 http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/#comment-38102 @ Bill, I think you're arguing semantics (all survival traits vs. enough) however,I think the present day poodle might struggle a bit in the wild due to our influence and that was the point of my post. @ Bill, I think you’re arguing semantics (all survival traits vs. enough) however,I think the present day poodle might struggle a bit in the wild due to our influence and that was the point of my post.

]]> By: Bill http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-38084 Bill Fri, 04 Jul 2008 18:01:37 +0000 http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/#comment-38084 @ValenciaSon - I mean to say that poodles evolved to their current state in a domestic environment. I agree that humans have bred out many traits that helped dogs survive in the wild, which is what I think you mean. However I'm just saying that that is not the same as breeding out the surival traits of dogs altogether. Instead those surival traits have been replaced by different survival traits that are more applicable to the domestic environment dogs tend to find themselves in these days. The same rules of natural selection apply, regardless of whether a species is evolving in a domestic enironment or in the wild. @ValenciaSon – I mean to say that poodles evolved to their current state in a domestic environment. I agree that humans have bred out many traits that helped dogs survive in the wild, which is what I think you mean. However I’m just saying that that is not the same as breeding out the surival traits of dogs altogether. Instead those surival traits have been replaced by different survival traits that are more applicable to the domestic environment dogs tend to find themselves in these days.

The same rules of natural selection apply, regardless of whether a species is evolving in a domestic enironment or in the wild.

]]> By: ValenciaSon http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/comment-page-1/#comment-38078 ValenciaSon Fri, 04 Jul 2008 15:35:58 +0000 http://www.notesfromspain.com/2008/07/01/organic-food-and-moving-your-dog-to-spain-nfs-forum/#comment-38078 @Bill, doyou mean to tell me that poodles evolved to their current state in the wild? @Bill, doyou mean to tell me that poodles evolved to their current state in the wild?

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