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		<title>By: raytibbitts</title>
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		<dc:creator>raytibbitts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 23:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Tom:  All we are seeing now is the Invisible Hand strangling the banks and creditors who blinded themselves to the possibility that the market would ever correct itself.

No economy is immune to corrections, and some corrections HURT.
No economy will ever be immune to corruption, both from within and especially from those who are supposed to be regulating it.
Adam Smith&#039;s &#039;Hand&#039; is hard to see (it is invisible, after all) but markets that let it do its job will always fare better than those who try to force it.  Sometimes the forcing comes from participants who try to &#039;game&#039; the the system, sometimes it comes from governments who are trying to &#039;save&#039; it.  Sometimes they happen to be the same people, or their agents.
Will police ever be able to catch everybody committing crimes?  Will an economy ever be able to be regulated to the point that no corruption ever causes someone to unfairly lose or earn money they don&#039;t deserve?  How much will it cost to create such a perfect form of regulation?  Who will regulate the regulators?  How do we determine what is an acceptable ratio of regulation-to-corruption?  
How about we try the laws on the books first, punish the people who deserve to be punished (according to the laws) and then see how regulation needs to be adjusted?
How will the recent upheavals on Wall Street actually effect you, personally?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Tom:  All we are seeing now is the Invisible Hand strangling the banks and creditors who blinded themselves to the possibility that the market would ever correct itself.</p>
<p>No economy is immune to corrections, and some corrections HURT.<br />
No economy will ever be immune to corruption, both from within and especially from those who are supposed to be regulating it.<br />
Adam Smith&#8217;s &#8216;Hand&#8217; is hard to see (it is invisible, after all) but markets that let it do its job will always fare better than those who try to force it.  Sometimes the forcing comes from participants who try to &#8216;game&#8217; the the system, sometimes it comes from governments who are trying to &#8216;save&#8217; it.  Sometimes they happen to be the same people, or their agents.<br />
Will police ever be able to catch everybody committing crimes?  Will an economy ever be able to be regulated to the point that no corruption ever causes someone to unfairly lose or earn money they don&#8217;t deserve?  How much will it cost to create such a perfect form of regulation?  Who will regulate the regulators?  How do we determine what is an acceptable ratio of regulation-to-corruption?<br />
How about we try the laws on the books first, punish the people who deserve to be punished (according to the laws) and then see how regulation needs to be adjusted?<br />
How will the recent upheavals on Wall Street actually effect you, personally?</p>
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		<title>By: Tom</title>
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		<dc:creator>Tom</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:57:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Bill - Sorry, but you don&#039;t seem capable of defending the system. Interest rates have dropped and they&#039;ll drop again, not for our benefit, though.

The truth is that Adam Smith&#039;s invisible hand has always been a stupid fantasy. Trusting the market to regulate itself is as foolish as believing in god.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Bill &#8211; Sorry, but you don&#8217;t seem capable of defending the system. Interest rates have dropped and they&#8217;ll drop again, not for our benefit, though.</p>
<p>The truth is that Adam Smith&#8217;s invisible hand has always been a stupid fantasy. Trusting the market to regulate itself is as foolish as believing in god.</p>
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		<title>By: raytibbitts</title>
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		<dc:creator>raytibbitts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 01 Nov 2008 22:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Another good point of view on the trigger of the credit crisis...
http://www.linearpublishing.com/orsonscottcard.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another good point of view on the trigger of the credit crisis&#8230;<br />
<a href="http://www.linearpublishing.com/orsonscottcard.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.linearpublishing.com/orsonscottcard.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: raytibbitts</title>
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		<dc:creator>raytibbitts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Oct 2008 21:18:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you have a little more time; and prefer to listen to a somewhat more entertaining, yet nonetheless accurate description, you will really enjoy This American Life, and their take on the issue.

http://www.thisamericanlife.org/

Especially episodes #366 and #365</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you have a little more time; and prefer to listen to a somewhat more entertaining, yet nonetheless accurate description, you will really enjoy This American Life, and their take on the issue.</p>
<p><a href="http://www.thisamericanlife.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.thisamericanlife.org/</a></p>
<p>Especially episodes #366 and #365</p>
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		<title>By: raytibbitts</title>
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		<dc:creator>raytibbitts</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 22:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kind of like the mixed metaphor of &quot;brink&quot; and &quot;melt&quot;

The Fed drove prices down, (and the real value of the dollar down with it.)

The clamouring had little to do with it compared with the burden of foreign debt, and the attempt to diminish it by diminishing the price of U.S. dollars.

I like the way this guy explained it (years before it happened.) 

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=MoSwkCog

Although he seemed like a jerk at the time, and my livelihood was greatly enhanced by banks offering my potential-customers very dangerous (to the banks) loans back then, I have to give him, and Ron Paul the recognition they deserve for trying to warn us that we were selling-out our true conservatism for a few pieces-of-silver-adjustable-rate-no-money-down-home-loans.  And then, of course, dumping them on the wall street investors, (and many Chinese interests) filling the exchanges with improperly regulated CRAP.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kind of like the mixed metaphor of &#8220;brink&#8221; and &#8220;melt&#8221;</p>
<p>The Fed drove prices down, (and the real value of the dollar down with it.)</p>
<p>The clamouring had little to do with it compared with the burden of foreign debt, and the attempt to diminish it by diminishing the price of U.S. dollars.</p>
<p>I like the way this guy explained it (years before it happened.) </p>
<p><a href="http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=MoSwkCog" rel="nofollow">http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=MoSwkCog</a></p>
<p>Although he seemed like a jerk at the time, and my livelihood was greatly enhanced by banks offering my potential-customers very dangerous (to the banks) loans back then, I have to give him, and Ron Paul the recognition they deserve for trying to warn us that we were selling-out our true conservatism for a few pieces-of-silver-adjustable-rate-no-money-down-home-loans.  And then, of course, dumping them on the wall street investors, (and many Chinese interests) filling the exchanges with improperly regulated CRAP.</p>
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		<title>By: John Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 19:08:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Graeme
&lt;&lt;this was supposed to be the magic cure for the last speculative crisis when the Internet boom crumbled in 2000-2001. 
Yes, and to get the US out of the slump which followed the September 11th attacks. The idea was OK, but it was supposed to be a short-term way out, and someone forgot to turn the tap off. 

@Legazpi Bill
&lt;&lt;I don’t know where you get the idea that the markets were “screaming for lower interest rates”
You&#039;re right, of course, the markets weren&#039;t, but lots of powerful economic pressure groups were. I think you&#039;re interpreting the word &quot;market&quot; more literally than others. 

Personally, I think the blame for this current mess lies firmly with the Reagan-Thatcher-Milton Friedman school of &quot;Let&#039;s stop actually producing things and turn the entire Western World into a service economy.&quot; Crazy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Graeme<br />
&lt;&lt;this was supposed to be the magic cure for the last speculative crisis when the Internet boom crumbled in 2000-2001.<br />
Yes, and to get the US out of the slump which followed the September 11th attacks. The idea was OK, but it was supposed to be a short-term way out, and someone forgot to turn the tap off. </p>
<p>@Legazpi Bill<br />
&lt;&lt;I don’t know where you get the idea that the markets were “screaming for lower interest rates”<br />
You&#8217;re right, of course, the markets weren&#8217;t, but lots of powerful economic pressure groups were. I think you&#8217;re interpreting the word &#8220;market&#8221; more literally than others. </p>
<p>Personally, I think the blame for this current mess lies firmly with the Reagan-Thatcher-Milton Friedman school of &#8220;Let&#8217;s stop actually producing things and turn the entire Western World into a service economy.&#8221; Crazy.</p>
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		<title>By: gary</title>
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		<dc:creator>gary</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It gets plenty of coverage because its cheap TV - all the links are already in and no OB crew is needed... 20 minutes on tonights news...

...and the &#039;retiring&#039; Chairman of RBS will have a half a million a year pension - what happened to company directors being responsible for the stuff that goes on on their watch? Had this been a headteacher responsible for gambling away the teachers salaries he would have lost his pension and gone to jail.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It gets plenty of coverage because its cheap TV &#8211; all the links are already in and no OB crew is needed&#8230; 20 minutes on tonights news&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8230;and the &#8216;retiring&#8217; Chairman of RBS will have a half a million a year pension &#8211; what happened to company directors being responsible for the stuff that goes on on their watch? Had this been a headteacher responsible for gambling away the teachers salaries he would have lost his pension and gone to jail.</p>
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		<title>By: Edith</title>
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		<dc:creator>Edith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 18:02:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is not only about people losing their jobs or their pensions - the social consequences of this crisis could be dire because poverty and unemployment breed political unrest, making people less averse to totalitarianism:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3153626/Financial-crisis-German-minister-warns-of-far-Right-rise.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is not only about people losing their jobs or their pensions &#8211; the social consequences of this crisis could be dire because poverty and unemployment breed political unrest, making people less averse to totalitarianism:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3153626/Financial-crisis-German-minister-warns-of-far-Right-rise.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/3153626/Financial-crisis-German-minister-warns-of-far-Right-rise.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: John Ross</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;World’s financial system was teetering on the brink of systemic meltdown”

Honestly, if it were drawn to my attention that I had engendered a sentence as atrocious as that I think I might top myself. &quot;Brink&quot; is the edge over a drop, so where is the brink of a meltdown? And why &quot;meltdown&quot; anyway, instead of &quot;failure,&quot; which at least works with &quot;systemic?&quot; And just what does &quot;systemic&quot; mean in the garbled sentence that has emerged? I mean, I can see what he wants it to mean, which doesn&#039;t mean it does mean that, it means Humpty Dumpty is in charge of the International Monetary Fund. Furcrysache.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;World’s financial system was teetering on the brink of systemic meltdown”</p>
<p>Honestly, if it were drawn to my attention that I had engendered a sentence as atrocious as that I think I might top myself. &#8220;Brink&#8221; is the edge over a drop, so where is the brink of a meltdown? And why &#8220;meltdown&#8221; anyway, instead of &#8220;failure,&#8221; which at least works with &#8220;systemic?&#8221; And just what does &#8220;systemic&#8221; mean in the garbled sentence that has emerged? I mean, I can see what he wants it to mean, which doesn&#8217;t mean it does mean that, it means Humpty Dumpty is in charge of the International Monetary Fund. Furcrysache.</p>
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		<title>By: Marie-Claude</title>
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		<dc:creator>Marie-Claude</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Oct 2008 17:19:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ben, this video: http://www.invertired.com/quimu/videos/25/34is a good explanation of why we are on the brink of systemic meltdown”.  Enjoy!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ben, this video: <a href="http://www.invertired.com/quimu/videos/25/34is" rel="nofollow">http://www.invertired.com/quimu/videos/25/34is</a> a good explanation of why we are on the brink of systemic meltdown”.  Enjoy!</p>
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