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MikeF
9th February 2007, 06:08 PM
This is tracked off an earlier post discussion with Pepino in a different topic.

In the week before Christmas we had the annual meeting of the "comunidad de vecinos" of the building where we have bought a flat (in Barcelona) but which we haven't moved in to yet (long story). It's just round the corner from where we are renting right now.
About two weeks before the meeting we received a letter from the administration company appointed by all the "C de V" inviting us to attend and detailing the agenda for the meeting - covering accounts, who has paid, who hasn't paid (named and shamed), etc... We were a little underwhelmed that the invitation and all documents were written in catalan, because we do struggle with it a bit :rolleyes: A swift phone call to the administradores confirmed that a recently-passed law means that all vivienda documents must be written in catalan and there is no obligation (i.e. cost) to issue a castellano version as well. :(
Anyway, we saw it as a good opportunity to meet our future neighbours, although with slight trepidation, as we expected the meeting would be conducted in catalan.

The meeting invitation strangely listed two times for the meeting 7:30pm and 8:00pm at the offices of the adminstradores. We thought we'd make a good first impression and arrive in time for the first meeting time. Unfortunately noone else did, so we sat around like a pair of numpties waiting for everyone else to arrive at 8:00pm! It was interesting to meet not only the other residents of our building, but also the representative of the owners of the street-level shops who was presumably there to make sure we didn't hit the businesses with some hidden costs.

The format of the meeting was pretty much as we expected, with the representative from the administradores taking minutes, and the elected president of the building dominating the proceedings. We breathed a sigh of relief when the president started off by saying that the meeting would be conducted in castellano for the benefit of yours truly and everyone else was happy with that:thumbs-up: . I never cease to be amazed at how fluently the catalans can switch to and from castellano. I know I wish I could too!

We all sat round a big table and agreed that the accounts for the past year were correct, how money would be spent over the coming year on building reforms, maintenance, cleaning, etc. Strangely the documents suggested that votes would be taken on the issues (the strength of your vote depends on the floor area of your apartment) but no votes were actually taken. Note: this is an observation rather than a moan.
From our point of view it was more important to meet our new neighbours and put faces to flats. "Oh! So you're living directly below us!" I've bumped into most of the neighbours in the street now, and I wouldn't have know who they were before, so that's a big plus. It also gave us some ideas of people's personalities and some of the discussions revealed that certain neighbours don't get on at all.

I'd be interested to hear other views of meetings of comunidades de vecinos.

greytop
9th February 2007, 09:41 PM
Interesting Mike. I also attend the meetings here in our block of flats where we all stand around in the hallway for a couple of hours or so. Yours seem more organised with an office to go to:)
I've been here for 18 months now and we've had several extraordinary and two annual meetings. In the beginning , when I first arrived the ex administrator had not been doing his job and we were without funds, the electric to the communal areas was cut off, no building insurance etc. Our new one is much better and things seem to be getting more organised - despite the residents input! They do crazy things like not putting up the contributions to meet projected expenditure. This mean the administrator has to raise "special" payment requests to make up the difference. I feel they are very suspicious after the initial debacle.
The meetings are a total drag and I'm about the only foreigner still attending. They read the last minutes (at breakneck speed) to be approved, then go off into new items with long discussions about them when a simple bit of common sense would get the job done in half the time. Although they start in Castellano it often reverts to Valenciano but what the hell - it's their communidad! The administrator speaks a bit of English so will tell us guiris the gist of what is going on if we get completely lost. I've also managed to get her to send out some informative notes occasionally. Most communication is done by notices on a board in each block. We also have two start times a half hour apart, which is a bit silly for a 2 hour meeting!
I believe the rules for all of this are laid down in Spanish law (called something like the law of communal property) so these rituals must be observed.
For anyone thinking of flat dwelling my charges come to around 450€ a year, all based on a share laid down as a percentage in the escritura (deeds) which splits the building up by floor area, which floor you are on, whether you have a garage etc. For instance the lower floor don't pay lift charges. If you have communal pool or gardens expect to pay more. It covers repair and maintenance of common areas, building (but not contents) insurance, common facilities such as TV aerial distribution, lift maintenance, electric and water for halls and stairways - oh! and the administrators fees;D
Brian

Marina
10th February 2007, 06:33 PM
There is a good and quite frightening film that talks about a "Comunidad de Vecinos" (all the people that live in a house) called La Comunidad (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0255067/). It reminded me a little bit to our house of Lavapies:D, and after we saw it I was a bit frightened every time I entered the building.

Actually next Friday we have an extraordinary meeting to decide about the polemic construction of a ramp in the house main entrance.
The story goes like this: A neighbour has recently become ill and now needs to use a wheelchair. To build the ramp it is needed to remove an interior garden area of about 5x1m. Some neighbours think that by removing the "jardinera" (garden area) the house will loose some cache, so they've been visiting every neighbour to give the a paper explaining why they are against it and suggesting other unrealistic possibilities. Meanwhile this poor man has to stand up with difficulties to go down the stairs every time he leaves the house. I find the whole thing a bit selfish.

Ben
11th February 2007, 01:52 PM
Oh no, I had managed to avoid all communidad meetings in this building so far (I find them about as much fun as a trip to the dentist I'm sorry to say) - will have to find an excuse fast before Friday!

Jules
11th February 2007, 03:01 PM
There is a good and quite frightening film that talks about a "Comunidad de Vecinos" (all the people that live in a house) called La Comunidad (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0255067/). It reminded me a little bit to our house of Lavapies:D, and after we saw it I was a bit frightened every time I entered the building.



So which did you find - A stash of money :D or a dead body? :eek:

Pepino
11th February 2007, 09:09 PM
Thanks Mike for starting this post. The notice in my entrance hall about our meeting also has the curious double start time, but as Greytop says, if it's a legal thing, then it's not so surprising (but still as curious :confused: ).

I'm going to check with my flatmate whether we should go along for the experience. The official business side of it sounds really dull but as I only know a tiny handful of my neighbours enough to stop them in the street and say hi, maybe it's a good way to put myself about more. (Typical of me to see the social aspect of a serious meeting! I wonder if they'll be drinks?? jeje) Mind you, my flat is for sale at the moment so I might not be around long enough to benefit from any of the results of the meeting(although I saw the price in the Estate Agent's window last night, and nearly fainted! It'll be a miracle if it sells fast at the price the owner is asking).