First Post

[Davood]

Hi everybody!


I suggest to have a Topic for new members where come there and introduce themselves and each member can come and say them welcome, or everything they want.
The Topic can be stick too.
So I start with myself:

Davood /
37
Married / One daghter
Tehran, Iran
I'm new member and also very happy to be here!

[Ben]

And welcome to you!

[cubix]

Hi

Welcome to the forum.

[Davood]

Thank you very much http://qsmile.com/qsimages/124.gif

[Ben]

Hi, I've moved this thread up to the top in case other new guys want to say hi and introduce themselves. Don't forget to do the same in the intercambio forums (http://www.notesfromspain.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?f=27) as well (preferably in a new post each time) if you are interested in finding intercambios!

Welcome to the forums!

[ZxSpectruM]

Hi!

I'm ZxS from Santander, North spain.

I've living there almost all my life.

I'm young but no so young I would like, specially in summer, yes, my city has ones of the best beaches in the world.

I love travel: I've been in: England, Germany, Spain, Italy, France (oh, Paris, lalala;D ), Luxembourg, Switzerland, Belgium... etc.

[sweetness4me]

Hi everyone.

I am Tiffany. I'm from Michigan and looking forward to being a part of this group. I have had 2 semesters of Spanish in the past but have forgotten most of it. Unfortunately, I didn't keep it up and have no one that speaks it that I know. I hope that this will be a good place to converse in order to help my understanding and learning. I love listening to the podcast and am having a great time reading the forums too. Have a great day! Talk to you soon. Tiffany

[Ben]

Welcome Tiffany! Great to have you here :)

[Al_X]

Hey Everybody!

I'm Alex from Wales, U.K
I live in Cardiff at the mo but lived in Malaga last year studying Spanish, then later worked on various farms for the WWOOF organization all over Spain with my girlfriend Jo.
I can speak Spanish to an intermediate level (or could) but am rapidly falling to basic, it would be even worse if it weren't for Ben and Marina. For which I thank you both!

Jo and myself are actually returning for a short hol in a couple of weeks. We'll be exploring the Cadiz province (probably the coast as it'll be so hot) by car and tent for the first week and the Sierra Nevada for the second.
If anyone has any recommendations or wants to tell me about their favourite places in those areas it would be most appreciated.

Thanks everyone!

[Ben]

Hi Al_X, welcome to the forums! I suggest starting a new post about your trip, and hopefully you will get lots of help. In the meantime, my one top tip is Bolonia, on the Costa de la Luz. Wild horses on a wold beach, with stunning views across to Africa, plus there's a campsite!

[Al_X]

Hey Ben...Well cheers for that. I just googled Bolonia and what do ya know?..The second site came up with a picture of a stunning beach with wild horses, looks fantastic! How strong is the wind there?
Plus I think google earth may have updated most of the costa de la luz as the resolution seems to be pretty good (perfect for finding those special secret spots!)..If only they would do my home county of pembrokeshire:( ...

[Ben]

The wind there is strong, not ideal for sunbathing in the afternoons, but well well worth a visit. It's my favourite wild beach in Spain. Not sure about a campsite though, now that I think about it... have a look at my answers to your other post too!

[Andy E]

Morning all. I found this site last week via a recommendation on another language learning site that I frequent a lot.

I'm always on the lookout for Spanish audio + transcripts and being somewhat bored with months of daily news broadcasts, the podcasts here are an invigorating change.

In a frenzy of on-line purchasing, I bought all the transcripts (they really are dirt-cheap and worth every penny) as well as Ben's book (download version).

I enjoyed the book and I love the podcasts - I've listened to a few of the earlier ones without transcripts and so far 35 & 36 of the ones with. I particularly enjoyed the idea of Ben speaking to that friend of his grandfather without verbs to avoid the tú/usted problem.

Speaking personally, I'd happily cough up for transcripts of the earlier ones as well and if you every get round to doing it - you've got at least one guaranteed customer right here.

Keep up the good work!

Andy.

[Marina]

Welcome to the forums Andy E, and thanks for your encouraging words about the transcrips, it makes me (us) very happy knowing that they are useful for you or other Spanish learners.
Marina.

[Ben]

Welcome from me too Andy_E! And thanks very much for all your comments (and purchasing :))

[Catica]

Morning all. I found this site last week via a recommendation on another language learning site that I frequent a lot.

My mind's a blur, but I think it was I who had suggested this on this other language learning forum. But I have a different handle there, so perhaps Andy doesn't recognize me. Or maybe my memory is completely off.

Anyway, I live near San Francisco, California, I'm a treintañera, my boyfriend (who grew up in Nicaragua) and I have a dog and a cat, and I just joined this forum a couple of weeks ago and I think Notes from Spain is the best invention ever.

About a year and a half ago, my boyfriend and I spent about a month in Spain. I kept a whole travelblog on the trip which I'd like share with you all just as soon as I finish rewriting it in Spanish. This is taking some time, because my Spanish teacher gives me back each chapter covered in red ink, and then I have to rewrite it yet again. And I'm certain I'll have to rewrite it even a third time to cut out the boring parts and embellish the good parts.

Basically, what happened was, about one hundred years ago my great-grandfather got into a bar fight in a small town in the Pyrenees. There was a vendetta against his life, so he fled and the family eventually followed. My grandmother spent her life in fear that our lives were in danger. That's the short version. It's probably the best one.

When I finish it, would some you mind reading it to offer some more suggestions? My plan is to send this off to my aunts in Zaragoza. They didn't believe me when I said I was really going to work on my Spanish when I left.

[Ben]

When I finish it, would some you mind reading it to offer some more suggestions? My plan is to send this off to my aunts in Zaragoza. They didn't believe me when I said I was really going to work on my Spanish when I left.

We'd love to! It sounds really interesting!

[Marina]

I'd love to read more details about your trip and your grandfather's history!!!

[Ally]

Hi everyone, I'm Ally

Found this site after trawling for Spanish podcasts and I love it!

Quick background; I'm 31 and live in Hudds, West Yorks with my boyfriend and 2 rescued greyhounds.

Been going to Spain since I was a kid and have family in Mojacar near Almeria. Absolutely love the place to bits but it's changed so much in the 20 years I've been going.

Been picking up the language on and off for years and never really taken it seriously until I decided to get a private tutor a couple of months ago which is going really really well (mainly because I get to actually speak to someone instead of in my head!) so we'll see how it goes. This forum is fantastic though, I'll get so much out of it - and hopefully give some back - someday ;) Thanks!

[greytop]

Hi everyone, I'm Ally

Found this site after trawling for Spanish podcasts and I love it!
......
This forum is fantastic though, I'll get so much out of it - and hopefully give some back - someday ;) Thanks!

Welcome aboard Ally.
Huddersfield to Mojacar - some difference!
Great place Yorkshire with some of the best beer in the country
IMHO.
Then there's the lasses -but I'd better stop, the wife's from Scotland!

[Andy E]

My mind's a blur, but I think it was I who had suggested this on this other language learning forum. But I have a different handle there, so perhaps Andy doesn't recognize me. Or maybe my memory is completely off.

I've only just noticed this. No, your mind's not a blur and it was you who suggested it on the other language forum.

I just assumed that because you've changed your handle (whereas I've kept mine the same), you were just being coy and wished to remain anoymous ;D - I just assumed that Catica was maybe a play on words with your name.

Andy.

[Ally]

Welcome aboard Ally.
Huddersfield to Mojacar - some difference!
Great place Yorkshire with some of the best beer in the country
IMHO.
Then there's the lasses -but I'd better stop, the wife's from Scotland!

Thanks Greytop! Yes, it definitely does have some great beer which is a bonus! Although after 3 hours stuck on the M62 this morning in 35 degree heat after a lorry breakdown I'm upping my Spanish learning to 2 hours a day in order to get out quicker ;)

[osvaldo]

¡Hola!

Osvaldo here from Northern California. This is my first post and I'm very excited. First of all, I would like to sincerely thank Ben & Marina for this fabulous site, and all of the hard work they've put into it - you keep feeding into my fantasy of one day moving to España.

Something about me. In 1967 my family & I immigrated from Cuba to Spain, where we lived for almost 2 years. During that time we lived mostly in Madrid, and also spent time in Amposta and Barcelona. And while I don't remember a lot, I do have a few fond memories of living in a small studio apartment in La Latina and then finally ending up in Aluche, where we lived for about a year in a half. Aluche at the time was not as it is today. I remember playing on the dirt streets of the neighborhood, and often taking the metro to downtown Madrid. I also remember lots of carnivals, gypsy performers and shopping at Galerias Especial with my Mother.

I have been back many times since then, and have really gotten to know Madrid & Barcelona quite well...I've also visited Bilbao, Salamanca, San Sebastian, Sitges and Toledo.

Anyway, thanks again for this FANTASTIC site...you'll be hearing from me periodically.

Hasta luego,

[richardksa]

"Favourite Food: My partner, my dog and traveling to Spain."

Why do you want to eat your dog?;)

[osvaldo]

I just change it to huevos rotos...thanks for the catch.

[Ben]

Anyway, thanks again for this FANTASTIC site...you'll be hearing from me periodically.

Great to have you here, and I do hope we'll hear from you whenever you have a moment!

[Marina]

Welcome Osvaldo,

I 'd love to hear more about your memories of those days when you lived in Spain.
Did you go straight away from Spain into the States? Or have you lived in Cuba after that?

[osvaldo]

Thank you!

I'll be speaking with my mother to get more details of life in Madrid when we were there.

As for Cuba, I haven't had the opportunity to return. I have family that goes from time to time, but it's quite difficult and expensive for a Cuban/Americans to travel there, and as you know, it's illegal for U.S. Citizens.

I have faith that one day the U.S. and Cuba will open the lines of communication, but it's probably not going to happen while Fidel is in power.

[osvaldo]

Sorry Marina, I did not answer all of your questions.

We went from Cuba to Spain, lived in Spain for almost 2 years, and then went to the United States.

I have lived in the U.S. now for 36 years. I grew up in New Jersey, about 2 miles west of New York City, and currently reside in Northern California, about 50 miles north of San Francisco.

[missmarymackmackmack]

I just found this post and think its absolutely terrific.

This is very difficult for me, but here goes:
Hello. My name is Mike and I am a Spain-o-phyle.
Hello, Mike.

Let me clarify... I am probably the laziest enthuist in the world. I love it here and I have surrounded myself with lots of Spanish things, but I have not learned the language and I don't know a whole lot about the country.
But I am in love with a gillaga woman and my new job is with a catalan company; these two major life forces are not both Spanish on accident.

I am in Barcelona for the summer working. I return home to Boston in the next couple of weeks, but I hope to learn a lot from this site.

Here would be my introductory thought:
I have seen 3 points in Spain- Andalusia, Catalanya, Galicia- and something has struck me. Although Michener's Iberia and Hemingway both attempted to describe the diversity of the country by their locale-specific vignettes, as a reader I never really quite got it. Maybe its the images that get exported to the US. Maybe its my lack of imagination. But, I never would have imagined that Cadaques to Santiago could be more different than Boston to San Diego.

This leaves a real hurdle for a lazy enthusiast.

[Ben]

Welcome to the forums, and don't worry, there is plenty of room for lazy enthusiasts here!

[osvaldo]

I'm one of them...Welcome!

[rob]

I signed up a few weeks ago before I went on holiday and never had a chance to introduce myself so I'm doing it now.

I've just finished the second year of my Spanish and International Politics degree at Aberystwyth Uni and am about to embark on my year abroad teaching english in a secondary school in Fuentes del Ebro which is about 20 minutes outside of Zaragoza.

Hopefully mu interest in Spain and the podcasts here is self explanatory: I want to learn as much about Spain and as much Spanish as possible before I go to live in Spain in October.

Its nervewracking because people always ask you if you can speka Spanish yet and all you can do is reply no but you're never quite sure whether you can or not until you do it, no matter how much you learn or practise your Spanish. I get funny looks when I say I cna't speak Spanish despite doing a degree spanish, obviously I can speak bits and bobs of Spanish but I couldn't hold a meaningful discussion about most subjects in any great depth.

Learning spanish is all quite daunting and moving to Spain is pretty scary for me. I have to find somewhere to live, get a bank account, get my N.I.E, teach english, make friends, sign up to a language school. All these things I have to do and without being sure whether I can actually speak or understand the majority of what will be said to me :o

anyway, i love the podcasts and the ones in spanish with the transcripts are really useful for hearing spanish and knowing what is being said too and the podcasts in english are great for an insight into spanish culture so i just wanted to say thanks to marina and ben for doing what they do

[Ben]

Thanks for the thanks and welcome to the forums! And don't worry, onc eyou get here you won't have any trouble at all with all the above. If you already speak a bit of Spanish you are one step ahead of me when I arrived!

[atlanticview]

Hola,

Estoy aprendiendo español. No soy muy bueno. Comencé solamente a practicar un par hace de meses. Es difícil pero gozo de él. Quisiera algún día visitar España. Gozo del Web site.

My apologies for any mistakes I've just started to learn Spanish.

[Ben]

Hardly any mistakes at all! (And in any case it's crucial to make mistakes if you want to learn more!) Welcome to the forums!

[gary]

Hi everyone, I'm Ally

Found this site after trawling for Spanish podcasts and I love it!

Quick background; I'm 31 and live in Hudds, West Yorks with my boyfriend and 2 rescued greyhounds.

Been going to Spain since I was a kid and have family in Mojacar near Almeria. Absolutely love the place to bits but it's changed so much in the 20 years I've been going.

Been picking up the language on and off for years and never really taken it seriously until I decided to get a private tutor a couple of months ago which is going really really well (mainly because I get to actually speak to someone instead of in my head!) so we'll see how it goes. This forum is fantastic though, I'll get so much out of it - and hopefully give some back - someday ;) Thanks!


welcome ally - Im in barnsley so we're neighbours - youre right this is simply the best resource on the web for podcasy in Spanish - let me recommend the transcripts - they enable you to make sense of all the stuff that you hear but cant quite grasp....

[richardksa]

..... I get funny looks when I say I cna't speak Spanish despite doing a degree spanish, obviously I can speak bits and bobs of Spanish but I couldn't hold a meaningful discussion about most subjects in any great depth.

Pardon me for being naive, but I would have thought that a Spanish Degree would have meant you could converse with the natives. I would hate to think that after three years of university education all you can say is, "Quire usted patatas fritas con eso?"

[gary]

Pardon me for being naive, but I would have thought that a Spanish Degree would have meant you could converse with the natives. I would hate to think that after three years of university education all you can say is, "Quire usted patatas fritas con eso?"

Degree was in Spanish International Politics - how many British politicians can you name that are completely unintelligable when asked a straight forard question in their mother tongue?

[richardksa]

Everyone of them except George Galloway.

[greytop]

Pardon me for being naive, but I would have thought that a Spanish Degree would have meant you could converse with the natives. I would hate to think that after three years of university education all you can say is, "Quire usted patatas fritas con eso?"

It probably helped speak it as much as four years of grammar school French (& Latin) helped me parler en Francais. Not at all ! :confused:

Since then I've learnt and mostly forgotten some German, Italian & Norwegian and am currently trying to converse in Spanish without a great deal of success. Guess I'll never be a linguist but it's fun trying.

I sometimes wonder if it is related to having some sort of musical ear - which I definitely don't - that allows you to hear & remember sounds.
On the other hand maybe I'm a lazy b....r :blush:
Any thoughts out there?

[richardksa]

Berlitz brought out a couple of CDs to teach French (may have been other languages, but I know only know about French) where everyone sung the words, but it didn't stick. And that's from someone who needs to hear a comic song just a few times to memorise all the lyrics. At the drop of a Hat (to coin a phrase) I can sing everything Flanders and Swann ever recorded - not that you would want me too!!!!!

I was brought up in a musical household where we all played instruments, but that's not helped with learning a language either. But I do recognise that there is a rhythm to speech and I find mastering that does help in remembering vocab. As a beginner I made the mistake in speak the foreign language with the rhythm of English. Of course it didn't work.

In my English conversations with Spaniards I often find myself beating out the rhythm of a word they are stumbling over. ("Necessary" seems to be a problem, as is "Improvisation".) I was doing this for ages before realising I could do the same with Spanish. (Dumbo!) It's a great help in getting the accent in the right place. And Spanish cognates always seem to have one more beat than the original English word.

[gary]

As a beginner I made the mistake in speak the foreign language with the rhythm of English. Of course it didn't work.


this is why the transcripts are so useful - and i suppose why I find Ben easier to understand in full flight than marina - bens voice has a timbre to which my ear is accustomed....

[guapo]

that reminds me of a meeting I was in once, conducted in English, with people from Germany, the Netherlands, France, Italy and the US. At the end of the meeting everybody agreed that my native English accent was by far the hardest to understand.

[Edith]

It probably helped speak it as much as four years of grammar school French (& Latin) helped me parler en Francais. Not at all ! :confused:

Many people in Holland graduate from high school with five or six years of French up their sleeve without being able to speak it very well. I'm ashamed to admit that I forgot most of my French, too, and that the only foreign language I'm truly fluent in right now is English, although I understand German very well (close to 100%). I think I would become fluent in German again if I could spend a month or so in Germany or Austria. I can keep up a conversation in Spanish, but I'm still far from fluent. If I would try to speak French now, it would be a very odd mixture of Spanish and French! :D

Total immersion is the best way to learn a foreign language. They say that three months of total immersion equals three years in class!

[Leah in JP]

Hi everyone,

My name is Leah and I'm from Boston. I'm a nursing student and getting married in less than a month! We're heading to Spain for our honeymoon around the new year, and I magically found this amazing site.

Thanks!

[Ben]

Hi Leah,

Welcome! Feel free to ask any questions you like about your homeymoon trip!

-Ben

[Ashley]

Hi! I wanted to go ahead and introduce myself. I'm Ashley, I grew up in Nashville, TN and now I'm at uni in Scotland studying chemistry. I took Spanish for about 7 years at school and have since forgotton a lot of what I knew. I can still read it fairly well, but speaking and writing are extremely hard for me! Improving my Spanish is a top priority for me, since I'd like to move to Spain after I graduate.

I've really enjoyed what I've seen/heard of the podcasts and forum so far, the transcripts are extremely helpful, since I'm used to hearing either Mexican or Colombian accents.

[Marina]

Welcome Ashley! its very good to know that you enjoy the podcastwis and find them and the transcripts useful. From what we've heard in the forum and from American people that we've met in Madrid it's very difficult to get Spanish accent from Spain across Usa. So hopefully the podcasts can complement that.
Good luck with your moving to Spain plans!

[Señora]

Hi everyone.
I`ve been reading NFS for quite some time and tonight I`ve taken the plunge to join you all.
I live in England, now retired and visit Spain 3 or 4 times a year.
I particularly love Andalucía.
I listen constantly to Spanish music.
My Spanish is not so good considering the hours I put in trying to learn....those verbs will hopefully one day fix in my brain.:blush:

Gracias.
Señora

[gary]

Hi everyone.
I`ve been reading NFS for quite some time and tonight I`ve taken the plunge to join you all.
I live in England, now retired and visit Spain 3 or 4 times a year.
I particularly love Andalucía.
I listen constantly to Spanish music.
My Spanish is not so good considering the hours I put in trying to learn....those verbs will hopefully one day fix in my brain.:blush:

Gracias.
Señora


bienvenido a NFS!!

[ValenciaSon]

Hi everyone.
I`ve been reading NFS for quite some time and tonight I`ve taken the plunge to join you all.
I live in England, now retired and visit Spain 3 or 4 times a year.
I particularly love Andalucía.
I listen constantly to Spanish music.
My Spanish is not so good considering the hours I put in trying to learn....those verbs will hopefully one day fix in my brain.:blush:

Gracias.
Señora


Sin verguenza, get in here and share with us your experiences and thoughts on all things Spain!

Bienvenido!

[intrepida1981]

Sin verguenza, get in here and share with us your experiences and thoughts on all things Spain!

Bienvenido!

Bienvenida, ValenciaSon ;)

Although it's not the case, you can also write Bienvenid@ if you don't know if it's a man or a woman ;D -but you should use it only in an informal context like this forum...

On the using of this character @ (called arroba in Spanish and I think also in English :confused: ) you'll find some interesting info here: http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=2820 and in this one http://www.caravantes.com/arti03/arroba.htm, you'll read about its origin and meaning.

PS. arroba is pronounced with a double -R sound like in arroz, perro, arriba...

cheers, and welcome!! :D

[Ben]

And another welcome from me too, Señora, glad you've decided to take the plunge!

[Señora]

Thank you everyone for the welcome and a special thank you to Ben and Marina for this excellent site. :thumbs-up:

Señora x

[Marina]

Bienvenida Señora! we will be delighted to hear about your Spanish trips!

Sin verguenza, get in here and share with us your experiences and thoughts on all things Spain!

Bienvenido!

Sorry ValenciaSon, let me comment one funny thing about your post.
Better to use "no tengas vergüenza", as "sin vergüenza" sounds exactly like "sinvergüeza" which at first was what I thought you were calling Señora. Then I realized that you were telling here not be shy.

Sinvergüenza - According to RAE (http://www.rae.es/)
1. Picaro, bribon.
2. Dicho de una persona: Que comete actos ilegales en provecho propio, o que incurre ein inmoralidades

[ValenciaSon]

Bienvenida, ValenciaSon

Although it's not the case, you can also write Bienvenid@ if you don't know if it's a man or a woman -but you should use it only in an informal context like this forum...

On the using of this character @ (called arroba in Spanish and I think also in English) you'll find some interesting info here: http://forum.wordreference.com/showthread.php?t=2820 and in this one http://www.caravantes.com/arti03/arroba.htm, you'll read about its origin and meaning.

PS. arroba is pronounced with a double -R sound like in arroz, perro, arriba...

cheers, and welcome!!









Thanks for the corrections. @ in english is known as the "ampersand". :)

[ValenciaSon]

Bienvenida Señora! we will be delighted to hear about your Spanish trips!



Sorry ValenciaSon, let me comment one funny thing about your post.
Better to use "no tengas vergüenza", as "sin vergüenza" sounds exactly like "sinvergüeza" which at first was what I thought you were calling Señora. Then I realized that you were telling here not be shy.

Sinvergüenza - According to RAE (http://www.rae.es/)
1. Picaro, bribon.
2. Dicho de una persona: Que comete actos ilegales en provecho propio, o que incurre ein inmoralidades




I've heard "sin verguenza" used that way in Spain and not as an insult but to mean not to be shy. Maybe it is a dated expression or a colloquial expression in Valencia but I do clearly recall hearing it used that way.:)

[Pepino]

Thanks for the corrections. @ in english is known as the "ampersand". :)

I always thought the Ampersand was the & character??

Otherwise, this club has got their marketing way off the mark! :)

http://www.clubzone.com/c/Manchester/Nightclub/ampersand.html

[greytop]

See Wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%40) on @
"The @ symbol (pronounced in English as the word "at") has the official name "commercial at" under the ANSI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI)/CCITT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCITT)/Unicode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode) character systems. It is often referred to informally as the "at symbol", the "at sign", or just "at". ... It was most commonly used as an abbreviation in accounting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accounting) and commercial invoices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invoice), in statements such as "7 widgets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widget) @ £2 ea. = £14". More recently, the @ symbol has become ubiquitous due to its use in email (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email) addresses.
Other names in English for the symbol include: about; ampersat; asperand (not to be confused with ampersand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampersand)); ape; apothrope; arroba; arobase; cabbage; cat; cinnabun or cinnamon bun; commercial symbol; cyclone; each; mercantile symbol; schnable; scroll or scroll-a; snail; strudel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strudel); vortex; whirlpool or whorl. "
Also "...An ampersand (&, &, &, &), also commonly called an and sign,..."

It would have been simpler to write at !

[gary]

See Wiki article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%40) on @
"The @ symbol (pronounced in English as the word "at") has the official name "commercial at" under the ANSI (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ANSI)/CCITT (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CCITT)/Unicode (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unicode) character systems. It is often referred to informally as the "at symbol", the "at sign", or just "at". ... It was most commonly used as an abbreviation in accounting (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Accounting) and commercial invoices (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Invoice), in statements such as "7 widgets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Widget) @ £2 ea. = £14". More recently, the @ symbol has become ubiquitous due to its use in email (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Email) addresses.
Other names in English for the symbol include: about; ampersat; asperand (not to be confused with ampersand (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ampersand)); ape; apothrope; arroba; arobase; cabbage; cat; cinnabun or cinnamon bun; commercial symbol; cyclone; each; mercantile symbol; schnable; scroll or scroll-a; snail; strudel (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strudel); vortex; whirlpool or whorl. "
Also "...An ampersand (&, &, &, &), also commonly called an and sign,..."

It would have been simpler to write at !


Very clear, thankyou I now Know that there is an amperand as well as an ampersand!! NFS for education ....

[ValenciaSon]

Sorry, my confusion, an ampersand is this:&.



Thanks Gary

[gary]

Sorry, my confusion, an ampersand is this:&.



Thanks Gary

Not me - this was Greytops research...

[ValenciaSon]

Not me - this was Greytops research...





Sorry and thanks Greytops and thanks to you Gary for posting Greytops info anyway :)

[Ben]

I have created a whole new section for posts like this now, the new 'Warm up area', meaning that new members don't have to add to this mammoth post! So I'll close this thread for now and really hope that the new guys will start fresh posts in this area if they want to say hello :)