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Old 14th May 2008, 11:14 AM   #21
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Why not do another video blog?
True. I need to do some, but I´m too busy procrastinating most of the time and I never get round to it. I´ll try harder.
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Old 14th May 2008, 11:48 AM   #22
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True. I need to do some, but I´m too busy procrastinating most of the time and I never get round to it. I´ll try harder.
Then you need to get one of these.
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Watching "Aida" on Sunday evening (a great source of "real", and also very rude Spanish) I noticed the d in "Joder" was pronounced with a soft "th". But we are Madrid and you are BCN, so maybe that's the difference.
Does anyone know if Aida or something similar available on the net anywhere?
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Old 15th May 2008, 01:49 PM   #24
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I should make a short recording of myself speaking and play it back to myself to get a full grip on how I´m improving or not.
Big difference hearing you talk in Madrid to that videoblog you made a while back -definately much smoother. I think you get over any accent thing by talking so fast anyway
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Old 15th May 2008, 01:55 PM   #25
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Does anyone know if Aida or something similar available on the net anywhere?
As far as I have found only clips from YouTube exist. Some episodes are out on DVD. Something to buy on your next visit? I watch it every Sunday. It's still way way above my level, so I am sure I miss many jokes, but I can follow the story line. Psst, Spanish "intellectuals" don't like to admit they watch it!
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Old 15th May 2008, 02:07 PM   #26
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Big difference hearing you talk in Madrid to that videoblog you made a while back -definately much smoother. I think you get over any accent thing by talking so fast anyway
Thanks, that´s really nice to know . It´s true when I´m speaking Spanish in a regular conversation I´m fine, but point a camera at me and I instantly drop about 10 levels. As for speaking fast, guilty as charged. That´s a double edged sword as it gives people the impression that they can babble back at me really fast and I´ll understand. The problem with that of course is that their vocabulary is much wider than mine, so they´re firing out words that I haven´t fully got my head around yet.

Definitely an improving picture though I´m glad to say.
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Old 19th May 2008, 04:41 AM   #27
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Coolest, Italian speaking Spanish.

Worst, tie between German and Swedish.
Aw, that's depressing...I've had 2 people tell me I sound like a German trying to speak Spanish.
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Old 20th May 2008, 03:03 PM   #28
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Hola colonel. Bienvenido al foro.

Cuidado con lo que dices en este foro sobre los estadounidenses.
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Old 20th May 2008, 03:49 PM   #29
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That's because Americans in general are stupidly superficial.
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Old 20th May 2008, 03:52 PM   #30
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That's because Americans in general are stupidly superficial.
Hola coloneldebugger. Bienvenido! Los estereotipos y las generalizaciones son como malas hierbas...hay bastantes por todas partes, y cubren todo, pero no se usan para ninguna cosa buena.
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Old 21st May 2008, 01:44 AM   #31
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Talk about derailing a thread... byebye colonel debugger.

Were these people who said you sound like a German watching ur vids or talking to u in person Perro C?
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Old 21st May 2008, 02:08 AM   #32
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It was some comments left on YouTube. They said that my "r"s sound like I'm German, so I'm working on those.
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Old 21st May 2008, 02:53 AM   #33
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It was some comments left on YouTube. They said that my "r"s sound like I'm German, so I'm working on those.
Don't sweat them dude, you seem to trill with the best of them!
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Old 21st May 2008, 03:28 AM   #34
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Thanks, ValenciaSon! I just can't wait to be back in Madrid, immersed in that wonderful and unique madrileño accent!!! I need to work on my throaty "j"s
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You mentioned that you're a little nervous in videos, maybe that's what's making you a German hehe...

I think in a conversation you'd have more animation and inflection in your voice and it might eliminate the sounds those people were talking about. Just one man's opinion
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Old 21st May 2008, 07:23 AM   #36
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It was some comments left on YouTube. They said that my "r"s sound like I'm German, so I'm working on those.

Hej Perro Callejero, could you please post a link to that youtube-video? I'd really like to hear that. Its true that we germans have a strange way to pronounce the 'r'. But I don't think that is the worst! You should listen to a Saxonian or a Bavarian speaking spanish!
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Hej Perro Callejero, could you please post a link to that youtube-video? I'd really like to hear that. Its true that we germans have a strange way to pronounce the 'r'. But I don't think that is the worst! You should listen to a Saxonian or a Bavarian speaking spanish!
Here you go,

http://www.notesfromspain.com/forums...ead.php?t=5429
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Its true that we germans have a strange way to pronounce the 'r'. But I don't think that is the worst! You should listen to a Saxonian or a Bavarian speaking spanish!
Dentro de un mismo ‘acento típico’, cualquiera que sea e incluidos los diversos acentos nativos, hay cosas agradables o menos agradables, y habrá acentos que globalmente gusten mas a unas personas y a otras menos. A mí, de entre los acentos que hay en España y Latino América creo que unos son para gozar, otros para gritar y otros te dejan igual; sobre gustos…

Pero otra cosa es la dificultad y esfuerzo que el hablante transmite al hablar.
Esfuerzo, casi contorsión, de toda la boca y garganta al pronunciar, dificultad en la construcción de frases que impide tener algún ritmo percibible hablando, entonación errática y dubitativa… todo eso crea una tensión y ansiedad al oyente que hace la experiencia algo irritante.

Creo que es mucho más importante el ritmo y la fluidez que el acento a la hora de hablar otro idioma.

Por ejemplo, Bern Schuster, famoso futbolista y ahora entrenador, habla español con fluidez y con su acento alemán. Para nada encuentro desagradable como habla Schuster, al contrario.

http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=8RiUJX7g_P0


El video en si es un poco bastante empalagoso, pero es el canal oficial del Madrid y eso es marca de la casa.
Repetir hasta la nausea “somos los más guapos y los más mejores del mundo mundial… alabados seamos ¡¡¡¡”

Pero bueno, esta clase de gente es a la que da más gusto derrotar.
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Old 23rd May 2008, 02:11 AM   #39
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So what does a person from the Usa sound like to a native Spanish Speaker? What pronunciations do they make that you can tell they are not a native speaker of Spanish?
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So what does a person from the Usa sound like to a native Spanish Speaker? What pronunciations do they make that you can tell they are not a native speaker of Spanish?
Of course I am not a native speaker, but it seems to me the difficulty with "r" and "rr" is perhaps the most characteristic. Also the turning of pure spanish vowels into english dipthongs. Other more subtle issues--consonants which are too explosive ("t" in partcular comes to mind) and not recognizing that "d", "r", "b", "v" change pronunciation depending on whether they are between vowels, next to a consonant, word-initial, etc, pronouncing "b" and "v" markedly differently. And then of course there is the producing of each word individually, like a little bolus, not letting words flow into each other and link together. This latter may be a feature of language learners generally, not just anglophones--not really sure.

And of course as an English speaker I can recognize certain translated english expressions...

There's a bunch of stuff. It's a long road. But keep your vowels pure and master "r" and "rr" and the locals will have trouble placing you as an anglophone, although they'll certainly know you "talk foreign".
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