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View Poll Results: What Spanish Grammar point drives you most crazy?
Por and Para 16 27.12%
Ser and Estar 11 18.64%
Learning the Verb Endings 18 30.51%
Spanish Sentence Structure / Order 12 20.34%
Other - (Comment in the thread!) 16 27.12%
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Old 22nd February 2008, 03:36 PM   #1
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Old 22nd February 2008, 04:07 PM   #2
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I voted other, for se :when to use it -and working out which kind of 'se' it actually is.

How about you Ben? I noticed Marina correcting you a couple of times for throwing in a 'se' when not needed and using preterite for perfect -you've done hubo instead of había a few times.(BB is watching you)

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Old 22nd February 2008, 04:11 PM   #3
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I chose other because the Spanish Grammar point that "me enloquece" would have to be the usage of the subjunctive. When to use it, when not to use it!!! Ahh!!

I'm getting better at it but still have a way to go!
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Old 22nd February 2008, 08:43 PM   #4
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lo vs. le
I just got points taken off on a homework in Spanish by my Mexican prof who said that "le mató" is incorrect. it's "lo mató". le only works in Spain , so apparently it's wrong in Spanish class (I don't understand that). any other cases that you know of where this happens?
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Old 22nd February 2008, 08:50 PM   #5
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Well, to me it seems to be Preterito Indefinido vs Imperfecto - I am often surprised (mostly by encountering Indefinido when I really expected the other one)
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Old 22nd February 2008, 09:00 PM   #6
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All of the above?

Ser/estar isn't too bad. Se is REALLY confusing. I find reflexive verbs and those like "gustar" where you need me te le etc hard to comprehend. Having to think in "to me it was said" "to him i gave it"

The difference in meaning in verbs compared to English (e.g. gustar, buscar), the multiple uses of one verb for a multitude of meaning. Quedar(se)?

The amount of endings! I would rather have the pronouns be required and then have fewer changes in the end. Then you have to learn fewer endings!

The subjunctive and I haven't even studied it much yet.

Definately "para" vs "por"!!!

Trying to use the correct verb (Thats just learning languages I suppose, nothing against Spanish )

Why can't I end a sentence in a preposition? It sounds fine to me

Thinking I know what a sentence means because it is similar to English but it being completely different.

Se, did I mention se?
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Old 22nd February 2008, 09:04 PM   #7
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I would have to say the dreaded subjunctive. There's sooo many different tenses and it's used in a lot of different types of sentences - hard to keep track!

Another area is the indirect pronoun. Sometimes, it's easy and "makes sense" to a native English speaker. For example, "Le escribimos a Carlos." But with some verbs, it's a bit harder. For example: "Nuestro equipo le ganó el partido al equipo suyo." Another thing is that it's hard to even hear IOPs in rapid spoken Spanish (elision??)
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Old 22nd February 2008, 09:54 PM   #8
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When to use which tense - I don't even know the names of all the different tenses in English - so I find it very confusing. I also struggle with por and para as I'm sure my Spanish intercambio will confirm!
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Old 22nd February 2008, 10:19 PM   #9
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lo vs. le
I just got points taken off on a homework in Spanish by my Mexican prof who said that "le mató" is incorrect. it's "lo mató". le only works in Spain , so apparently it's wrong in Spanish class (I don't understand that). any other cases that you know of where this happens?
Welcome to the world of "laísmo" "loísmo" and "leísmo!"
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Old 22nd February 2008, 10:58 PM   #10
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Por and Para is definitely the one that gets me. I have a tendancy to go with the one that I think 'sounds' right, but it's mostly guess work - no matter how many times I read up on it!!!
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Old 22nd February 2008, 11:18 PM   #11
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Estoy seguro que estamos familiarizados con esta pagína web (studyspanish), pero si no: http://www.studyspanish.com/lessons/porpara.htm
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Old 23rd February 2008, 01:39 AM   #12
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1) The lack of pronouns. Especially when there's "le/se" in the sentence. Who (or what) is being refering to?

I think that most other mistakes will be understood (por/para, ser/estar, subj.) but a wrong verb ending will confuse the listener.

Ah well, no one ever said was gonna be easy!
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Old 23rd February 2008, 04:53 AM   #13
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Preterite vs. Imperfect

Ser vs. Estar

Por vs. Para

The Subjunctive.

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Old 23rd February 2008, 06:35 AM   #14
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They're all pretty bearable, but I can't believe that preterite vs imperfect is not on there! That was a pain in the neck to learn and master. Knowing when to use the forms is quite tricky.
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Old 23rd February 2008, 11:03 AM   #15
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Those pesky Spanish verbs!
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Old 23rd February 2008, 11:21 AM   #16
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Verbs.

Too many conjugations for my old brain to handle.
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Old 23rd February 2008, 01:04 PM   #17
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Verbs - both endings and when to use them. Also pronunciation (but that's probably down to lack of practice due to laziness )
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Old 24th February 2008, 12:33 PM   #18
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Certainly go with se

That`s just a real stinker

I agree the speed of dialogue can throw the listener a curve ball when listening to direct object placement but this seems to come with practice

For me the most difficult has to be " lo que , la que " and the plural of these .I`ve never had a teacher so never had these fully explained and when to use them they appear to crop up everywhere

"lo que" the one who etc

Can i ask anyone who knows .When you purchase the spreadsheets from here for the Intermediate level is the Spanish conversation between Ben and Marina interpreted into English on the spreadsheets .
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Old 24th February 2008, 05:01 PM   #19
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Can i ask anyone who knows .When you purchase the spreadsheets from here for the Intermediate level is the Spanish conversation between Ben and Marina interpreted into English on the spreadsheets .
Have a look here in the Notes in Spanish section FAQ
You can get a sample to look at from in there.
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Old 24th February 2008, 07:06 PM   #20
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Indefinido vs Imperfecto.

In some contexts I can tell quite easily which of them should be used but in others it is a rompecabezas.
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