Notes in Spanish podcast 46 - Asaltos a las casas

Ben · 25th August 2006, 10:17 AM

Marina's parents have had to take serious measures to fortify their house recently, all because of a rising tide of violent burgluries. Add to that express kidnapping and Spain may have a serious problem on it's hands!

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Edith · 25th August 2006, 11:22 AM

Bandits from Kosovo in the mountains of Spain? Mind-boggling, isn't it? So the police is no longer in charge here... a worrying trend, don't you think? I wonder why it isn't possible to round up these gangs and deport its members to their countries of origin. I also agree with you that we shouldn't tar all immigrants from these regions with the same brush just because some of them happen to be involved in organized crime. Excellent podcast, by the way!

25th August 2006, 01:52 PM

Aunque tenemos que tener cuidado y no ser racistas, es muy importante poder hablar sobre estos temas y decir que es un problema importado.
Hace unos meses hablamos con una pareja de Madrid en el paseo de Marbella. Nos dijeron que han tenido que vender su chalet a las afueras de Madrid y comprar un piso en el centro porque no se sentían seguros en el campo.

Estas bandas son totalmente despiadadas y sin escrúpulos. El gobierno debe dar a la policia todas las facilidades, incluso una patada en el culo, para mandar un mensaje muy fuerte a estos criminales.

Brian · 25th August 2006, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Marbella

Aunque tenemos que tener cuidado y no ser racistas, es muy importante poder hablar sobre estos temas y decir que es un problema importado.

Hace unos meses hablamos con una pareja de Madrid en el paseo de Marbella. Nos dijeron que han tenido que vender su chalet a las afueras de Madrid y comprar un piso en el centro porque no se sentían seguros en el campo.

Estas bandas son totalmente despiadadas y sin escrúpulos. El gobierno debe dar a la policia todas las facilidades, incluso una patada en el culo, para mandar un mensaje muy fuerte a estos criminales.

What irony. In the old days, you escaped the city to avoid crime.

ValenciaSon · 25th August 2006, 08:50 PM

Y la Guardia Civil o el Ejercito no estan preparados para estos asuntos?

Ben · 26th August 2006, 07:38 AM

Creo que tienen miedo, pero tienes razon, el ejercito deberia hacer algo...

ValenciaSon · 26th August 2006, 12:12 PM

Si se pone mas peligroso en Espana, tendreis que mudar a los Estados Unidos

greytop · 26th August 2006, 02:36 PM

Latest attack not far from Denía was on a lady in her garden. Thieves attacked her and took her jewellery whilst her husband was in the chalet.
More worrying have been a series of attacks on chalets around Valencia where they spray ether (commercially available believe it or not!) in to bedrooms to anaesthetise people before robbing them.
The police do catch lots of them but I fear there are plenty more around Europe and South America queueing up to partake of the rich pickings in villa land. I wonder how much the fragmentation of Spanish police into national & local helps the villains? Maybe they collaborate more than we see. It was also announced this week that there are now more private security personnel than police in Spain so it's not just the thieves getting rich.
Further south from here there have been several "Neighbourhood Watch" schemes set up along the lines of those in England. They are not vigilantes but merely observe their own neighbourhoods, produce contact lists and advise the police of suspicious or anti-social activity. Initially there were complaints from the Spanish inhabitants about these but I believe they are being won over. I belonged to one in England that had regular meetings, attended by the local police, with regular newsletters about crime in the area, preventative measures etc. Plus we had a good party every now and then!
I'd have thought the Spaniards, with their strong sense of community as shown by fiestas & church activity, would have welcomed such moves.

Catica · 9th September 2006, 03:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Brian

What irony. In the old days, you escaped the city to avoid crime.

Por alguna razón, me siento más segura en la ciudad. Ni siquiera puedo vivir en una casa. Prefiero un apartamento, con las puertas adentro, en una ciudad. Mis padres prefieren su casa en el pueblo donde nací y crecí, pero había demasiados crímenes violentos para mi gusto y por eso vivo donde vivo. Es irónico, sí. No sabía que lo mismo, o peor, pasaba en España. Qué horror.

Brian · 9th September 2006, 07:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Catica

Por alguna razón, me siento más segura en la ciudad. Ni siquiera puedo vivir en una casa. Prefiero un apartamento, con las puertas adentro, en una ciudad. Mis padres prefieren su casa en el pueblo donde nací y crecí, pero había demasiados crímenes violentos para mi gusto y por eso vivo donde vivo. Es irónico, sí. No sabía que lo mismo, o peor, pasaba en España. Qué horror.

Que pena. Siempre han sido los ladrones. Pero, la poli necesita hacer algo de estos grupos paramilitares, porque en realidad son una mafia, un ejercito negro. Hay que pararlos para asegurar el campo Español.

greytop · 9th September 2006, 12:25 PM

Maybe this is a step in the right direction?

Brian · 9th September 2006, 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by greytop

Maybe this is a step in the right direction?

Perhaps. Taking down the mafias who are perpetrating these crimes is excellent.

Here in the States, many neighborhoods have been taken back by the Neighborhood Watch programs.

Edith · 9th September 2006, 05:43 PM

El crimen organizado es un gran peligro para la sociedad en cualquier país y estas noticias me preocupan. ¿Es verdad que la organización de la policía española es muy anticuada y que no funciona bien? La idea de las patrullas privadas (¿cómo se dice 'neighborhood watch' en español?) me parece muy buena idea. Los ciudadanos deberían tener el derecho de protegerse, en este tema estoy de acuerdo con los estadounidenses.

greytop · 9th September 2006, 08:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edith

El crimen organizado es un gran peligro para la sociedad en cualquier país y estas noticias me preocupan. ¿Es verdad que la organización de la policía española es muy anticuada y que no funciona bien? La idea de las patrullas privadas (¿cómo se dice 'neighborhood watch' en español?) me parece muy buena idea. Los ciudadanos deberían tener el derecho de protegerse, en este tema estoy de acuerdo con los estadounidenses.

No Edith - las patrullas privadas no son lo igual de "Neighbourhood watch". También en España hay muchas patrulas privadas - mas que policía. Esos son empresas quién cargan por sus servicios.
"Neighbourhood watch" solo functionan como associacones de vecinos, no patrullan normalmente, pèro observan sus barrios.

Ben · 19th September 2006, 07:35 AM

Another article on 'Kidnap express!'

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25th August 2006, 11:22 AM	#2
Edith Pangolin Forero Join Date: May 2006 Location: Países Bajos Posts: 3,808	Bandits from Kosovo in the mountains of Spain? Mind-boggling, isn't it? So the police is no longer in charge here... a worrying trend, don't you think? I wonder why it isn't possible to round up these gangs and deport its members to their countries of origin. I also agree with you that we shouldn't tar all immigrants from these regions with the same brush just because some of them happen to be involved in organized crime. Excellent podcast, by the way!

25th August 2006, 01:52 PM	#3
Marbella Guest Posts: n/a	Aunque tenemos que tener cuidado y no ser racistas, es muy importante poder hablar sobre estos temas y decir que es un problema importado. Hace unos meses hablamos con una pareja de Madrid en el paseo de Marbella. Nos dijeron que han tenido que vender su chalet a las afueras de Madrid y comprar un piso en el centro porque no se sentían seguros en el campo. Estas bandas son totalmente despiadadas y sin escrúpulos. El gobierno debe dar a la policia todas las facilidades, incluso una patada en el culo, para mandar un mensaje muy fuerte a estos criminales.

25th August 2006, 08:50 PM	#5
ValenciaSon Hero Forero Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Silver Spring, Maryland, USA Posts: 4,923	Y la Guardia Civil o el Ejercito no estan preparados para estos asuntos?

26th August 2006, 12:12 PM	#7
ValenciaSon Hero Forero Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Silver Spring, Maryland, USA Posts: 4,923	Si se pone mas peligroso en Espana, tendreis que mudar a los Estados Unidos

26th August 2006, 02:36 PM	#8
greytop Hero Forero Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Pego, Spain Posts: 3,370	Latest attack not far from Denía was on a lady in her garden. Thieves attacked her and took her jewellery whilst her husband was in the chalet. More worrying have been a series of attacks on chalets around Valencia where they spray ether (commercially available believe it or not!) in to bedrooms to anaesthetise people before robbing them. The police do catch lots of them but I fear there are plenty more around Europe and South America queueing up to partake of the rich pickings in villa land. I wonder how much the fragmentation of Spanish police into national & local helps the villains? Maybe they collaborate more than we see. It was also announced this week that there are now more private security personnel than police in Spain so it's not just the thieves getting rich. Further south from here there have been several "Neighbourhood Watch" schemes set up along the lines of those in England. They are not vigilantes but merely observe their own neighbourhoods, produce contact lists and advise the police of suspicious or anti-social activity. Initially there were complaints from the Spanish inhabitants about these but I believe they are being won over. I belonged to one in England that had regular meetings, attended by the local police, with regular newsletters about crime in the area, preventative measures etc. Plus we had a good party every now and then! I'd have thought the Spaniards, with their strong sense of community as shown by fiestas & church activity, would have welcomed such moves.

9th September 2006, 05:43 PM	#13
Edith Pangolin Forero Join Date: May 2006 Location: Países Bajos Posts: 3,808	El crimen organizado es un gran peligro para la sociedad en cualquier país y estas noticias me preocupan. ¿Es verdad que la organización de la policía española es muy anticuada y que no funciona bien? La idea de las patrullas privadas (¿cómo se dice 'neighborhood watch' en español?) me parece muy buena idea. Los ciudadanos deberían tener el derecho de protegerse, en este tema estoy de acuerdo con los estadounidenses.