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Old 27th July 2008, 02:10 PM   #1
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Old 2nd August 2008, 12:48 AM   #2
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I think the series has "jumped the shark" after the first season. I just can't watch the show.
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Old 2nd August 2008, 12:54 AM   #3
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I think the series has "jumped the shark" after the first season. I just can't watch the show.
Give it a chance, I mean, I don't know where your jumping the shark threshold lies but I think it is definitely much better than most shows (which I know ain't saying much). Where did Heroes lose you?
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Old 2nd August 2008, 02:13 AM   #4
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Season 2 was disappointing but I'm giving the show the benefit of the doubt for "Heroes: Villains", Season 3.

My issue with season 2 was that there were two many new characters introduced who had no clear connection to the central characters which bogged down the overall plot. Also, there was an urgency that was missing from season 2, probably because it was truncated. For example, the boy who could fly who became Claire's love interest seemed to me like a total waste of time. Same goes for Maya and her brother. I'd have preferred to have seen Claire's geek friend from season 1 turn out to have been a hero in disguise and they could've met up again in her new life. But that wasn't meant to be since he got his memory erased by the Haitian and then when next we saw him he had been reincarnated as John Connor in Terminator: The Sarah Connor Chronicles.

The show that has really lost me is LOST. I was a big fan the first two seasons but I've lost patience with it. The plot has gotten so convoluted and the producers are unwilling to provide any real answers to the mysteries. It's one big tease and it's very clear that there has never been a master plan for the show and that they are making it up as they go along. For example, the character of Ben was originally supposed to be for a few episodes but the producers liked the work that actor Michael Emerson was doing so they kept him on. He went from being a creepy control-freak weeks away from dying from a back tumor to a Jason Bourne /James Bond/assassin-for-hire mastermind with an unlimited bag of tricks. And whatever happened to the other Others and the children they kidnapped? And the four-toed statue that they made such a big deal about in one of the season finales?

And recently I read on a tv blog that Jin may not be really dead. The whole "dies in the season finale but is resurrected next season" has become a tired and predictable plot device in many shows, including Heroes. It's been overused, which is a shame, because the idea that a main character could die (and stayed dead) used to be a particularly effective way to grab the audience's attention.

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The show that has really lost me is LOST. I was a big fan the first two seasons but I've lost patience with it. The plot has gotten so convoluted and the producers are unwilling to provide any real answers to the mysteries.
Surely the whole wonderful thing about LOST is that it is so convoluted. Some mysteries have been answered, but I don't know why people want everything spelled out to them -half the fun is guessing what the hell might be going on.

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It's one big tease and it's very clear that there has never been a master plan for the show and that they are making it up as they go along.
Not true. There is a 'master plan' which the writers have in place and they know exactly the ending and broad outline of how they are going to get there. Part of the problem during the first two seasons was the fact that the tv company, realising they were on a winner wanted it too keep going as long as it won ratings. It was for this reason that the writers (specifically Carlton Cuse /Damon Lindeloff) pushed to have an end point (after season 6) so watchers know where the end is (as when reading a book you know how many chapters are left) allowing them on focusing all on weaving the plot toward their known goals and avoiding episodes like 'Razzle Dazzle' -amusing as it was.



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For example, the character of Ben was originally supposed to be for a few episodes but the producers liked the work that actor Michael Emerson was doing so they kept him on.
The part that Michael Emerson assumed as leader of the Others was already conceived -it's just that it was not originally going to be him. Yes, when they saw that he was such a brilliant and accomplished actor naturally they wanted to keep hold of him for that role.
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He went from being a creepy control-freak weeks away from dying from a back tumor to a Jason Bourne /James Bond/assassin-for-hire mastermind with an unlimited bag of tricks.
He didn't go from anything to anything as the series continues it has simply become apparent that his sphere of influence is much greater than solely upon the island itself.

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And whatever happened to the other Others and the children they kidnapped?
er they are still around, Locke went off with them at the end of series 4 -and the children have been shown living with the others -I'm not 100% what you mean by other Others.
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And the four-toed statue that they made such a big deal about in one of the season finales?
What big deal? -they saw a statue and it had 4 toes.

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And recently I read on a tv blog that Jin may not be really dead. The whole "dies in the season finale but is resurrected next season" has become a tired and predictable plot device in many shows, including Heroes. It's been overused, which is a shame, because the idea that a main character could die (and stayed dead) used to be a particularly effective way to grab the audience's attention.
Well you don't know that. In fact we are not sure that Jin is dead. But assuming he is, there is no reason that he still might not appear in the show as the timeline is so mixed up -I'm not sure who has been resurrected. We are not really sure who or what Christian Shepherd is, as we are not sure about the appearances of Charley to Hurley are. Charley said that he is dead anyway.

I was excited to hear that shooting starts in 3 weeks for season 5. In my opinion each series so far has bettered the previous one. I think from a straw poll most people would name 'The Constant' as the best episode ever

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Still, does Lost compare to Heroes or BSG?
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I don't know, I've never seen them. I actually hardly watch tv these days.
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Old 3rd August 2008, 08:27 PM   #9
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Still, does Lost compare to Heroes or BSG?
OK, here is THE definitive ranking in descending order of goodness (results based on the highly scientific GGM* methodology with a unity sample population)
BSG
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HEROES
*Graham's Goodness Metric - They've done tests. 60% of the time, it works every time.
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OK, here is THE definitive ranking in descending order of goodness (results based on the highly scientific GGM* methodology with a unity sample population)
BSG
LOST
HEROES
*Graham's Goodness Metric - They've done tests. 60% of the time, it works every time.
I don't know much about statistics, but 'a unity sample population' sounds like a so-so sample.

What the hell is BSG anyway?
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I don't know much about statistics, but 'a unity sample population' sounds like a so-so sample.
100% of the survey's particpants disagree with you

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I feel a John McEnroe quote coming on...
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I feel a John McEnroe quote coming on...
I am serious. Don't watch anything.
(Well I watched something about volcanoes and a bit of women's golf today so that's not true)
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ok I've googled it Battlestar Galactica -I have never seen it I'm sure it's good though.
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Old 3rd August 2008, 08:57 PM   #14
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I am serious. Don't watch anything.
Sounds like me. I've cancelled my Sky subscription (ends tomorrow). So now I won't even be keeping up with BSG or LOST when they return...

Here you go:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_(2004_TV_series)

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ok I've googled it Battlestar Galactica -I have never seen it I'm sure it's good though.
Aye, 'tis that. (Or so I am authoritatively informed by in-depth and unbiased research in the field).
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Sounds like me. I've cancelled my Sky subscription (ends tomorrow). So now I won't even be keeping up with BSG or LOST when they return...
There's always a way around these technicalities...
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OK, here is THE definitive ranking(results based on the highly scientific GGM* methodology with a unity sample population)
*Graham's Goodness Metric - They've done tests. 60% of the time, it works every time.

Is there perchance an equally definitive GAM*
(*Graham Accuracy Metric)..if so hie thee over to SPG (Spanish Word Game) where the scientific methodology might be appreciated, (or assiduously rejected) depending upon the determination
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[/indent]Is there perchance an equally definitive GAM*
Yes.*


*60% of the time, it's right every time.
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Old 5th August 2008, 01:40 AM   #19
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100% of the survey's particpants disagree with you
Now you're batting a 1000!
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