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Old 28th June 2007, 04:38 AM   #1
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HI can someone refer me to a site that explains stem changing verbs, our professor didn't explain it that well
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Old 28th June 2007, 09:42 AM   #2
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HI can someone refer me to a site that explains stem changing verbs, our professor didn't explain it that well

Uuum? Not sure how long they took, but there is quite an extensive list of verbs, it's not something you could learn in one class, especially if you include all tenses, including the subjunctive. I don't think there are any short cuts, it's a question of reading and learning them all. You can learn the rules, that accounts for most of the verbs, but then there exceptions, so you just have to try and memorise these. Verb drills can be pretty boring, but it's something you'll need to know.
I don't know of a good site, but if you google "spanish stem changing verbs", you'll get a load of hits, you'll just have to trawl through them until you find one you like.
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Old 28th June 2007, 09:46 AM   #3
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Take a look here.
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Old 28th June 2007, 10:43 AM   #4
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This site is also very useful for these type of problems. It has sections on each type of stem changing verb with examples.
One trick is to learn the infinitive and 1st person singular present together for the irregulars.
Then when you come to use an irregular verb the "sound" will be wrong if you don't change the stem.
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Old 28th June 2007, 02:25 PM   #5
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HI can someone refer me to a site that explains stem changing verbs, our professor didn't explain it that well
Have you ever given Michel Thomas a listen. He makes the stem change a natural progression from the stress used in the present tenses-for example poder: instead of pode you are pushing so hard on the o that it sort of collapses into the ue sound of puede. Hard to explain -but worth a listen to.
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Old 28th June 2007, 06:13 PM   #6
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Stem changing verbs only change when the stress is put on the specific vowel which is why many of the stem changers are considered "boot" verbs. (Meaning you can draw a boot or shoe around the verbs leaving out the nosotros and vosotros conjugations.)

Poder goes to puedo but remains podemos. The accent in podemos is on the e intead of the o which is why the o does not change.

Pensar goes to piensa but remains pensamos. Again the accent is on the penultimate syllable and not on the stem changing vowel.

And as you can see in the example below, in the preterite the stress shifts (in regular verbs) to the last syllable, in this case leaving the original vowel alone. There is NO stem change when the vowel is NOT stressed. (But there are many irregular verbs and many change just go keep the original sound of the infinitive. This is quite an involved topic.)

Like someone said earlier in this thread, there are so many verbs so it will take a while to learn them all. Here are a few examples. (I hope I have not confused things even more for you. )

In the Present Tense (Pretérito)
O to UE
poder - puedo - pude
dormir - duermo - dormí (Irregular 3rd p. sing. and pl. durmió/durmieron)
volver - vuelvo - volví
(And similar verbs like desenvolver, devolver)

U to UE
jugar - juego - jugué

E to I
pedir - pido - pedí
despedir - despido - despedí


E to IE
pensar - pienso - pensé
tener - tiene (Irregular yo - tengo) - tuve
(And any of the similar verbs like mantener, contener)
venir - viene (Irregular yo - vengo) - vine
empezar - empiezo - empecé
despertar - despierto - desperté
divertir - divierto - divertí
cerrar - cierro - cerré
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Stem changing verbs only change when the stress is put on the specific vowel which is why many of the stem changers are considered "boot" verbs. (Meaning you can draw a boot or shoe around the verbs leaving out the nosotros and vosotros conjugations.)

Poder goes to puedo but remains podemos. The accent in podemos is on the e intead of the o which is why the o does not change.

Pensar goes to piensa but remains pensamos. Again the accent is on the penultimate syllable and not on the stem changing vowel.

And as you can see in the example below, in the preterite the stress shifts (in regular verbs) to the last syllable, in this case leaving the original vowel alone. There is NO stem change when the vowel is NOT stressed. (But there are many irregular verbs and many change just go keep the original sound of the infinitive. This is quite an involved topic.)

Like someone said earlier in this thread, there are so many verbs so it will take a while to learn them all. Here are a few examples. (I hope I have not confused things even more for you. )

In the Present Tense (Pretérito)
O to UE
poder - puedo - pude
dormir - duermo - dormí (Irregular 3rd p. sing. and pl. durmió/durmieron)
volver - vuelvo - volví
(And similar verbs like desenvolver, devolver)

U to UE
jugar - juego - jugué

E to I
pedir - pido - pedí
despedir - despido - despedí


E to IE
pensar - pienso - pensé
tener - tiene (Irregular yo - tengo) - tuve
(And any of the similar verbs like mantener, contener)
venir - viene (Irregular yo - vengo) - vine
empezar - empiezo - empecé
despertar - despierto - desperté
divertir - divierto - divertí
cerrar - cierro - cerré
Thanks for the explaination
another question regarding stem changing verbs for example the verb
(pod)er
yo ,puedo nosotros/nosotras, podemos
tu, puede
ud,el,ella ,puede? uds,ellas,ellos ,poden
is this correct? since it is a ER verb we change the ending as a regular verb correct?
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Thanks for the explaination
another question regarding stem changing verbs for example the verb
(pod)er
yo ,puedo
tu, puedes
ud,el,ella ,puede?

nosotros/nosotras, podemos
vosotros podéis
uds,ellas,ellos ,pueden

is this correct? since it is a ER verb we change the ending as a regular verb correct?
Nearly there! Only 1 2 3 single and 3 plural change stem
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Old 28th June 2007, 09:57 PM   #9
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If you are not sure of the conjugation of any verb, a great resource is here.
select Spanish to English, and enter the verb, say poder. Alongside the verb at the top, you'll see
Definición | Sinónimos | Conjugator
Just click on "conjugator"
Wordreference has a load of useful stuff, as well as just the dictionary.
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Old 29th June 2007, 11:18 AM   #10
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Many of the stem changing verbs are also amongst some of the most widely used so it would be a mistake to avoid them in your studies. Notably the Preterite 3rd persons singular and plural for IR verbs are in very common use but do not obey the rule of stem change for stressed syllable. In the preterite 3rd persons, stem changing IR verbs have a stem change on an unstressed syllable.
eg:

Durmió, not dormió
Durmieron, not dormieron
Pidió, not pedió
Pidieron, not pedieron
Despidió, not despedió
Despidieron, not despedieron
Divirtió, not divertió
Divirtieron, not divertieron
Sintió, not sentió
Sintieron, not sentieron
Murió, not morió
Murieron , not morieron

These are all in common use and one could argue that maybe they evolved because it is easier to get your tongue around the syllables.
One thing that this group type all have in common is that the last syllable has a 'y' sound which maybe was instrumental in the evolution of creating a stem change on an unstressed syllable making it easier to pronounce. In my case I find it easier to pronounce despidieron containing the stem change on an unstressed syllable, rather than the incorrect despedieron.
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Old 29th June 2007, 12:53 PM   #11
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I made a chart that I use as an aide memoire for verb forms. Some of you may find it useful - and you can easily modify it in Excel or Open Office to meet your requirements. It won't save you having to understand or learn them, but as a quick memory trigger I find it still useful after 4 years trying to master the little devils
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Have you ever given Michel Thomas a listen. He makes the stem change a natural progression from the stress used in the present tenses-for example poder: instead of pode you are pushing so hard on the o that it sort of collapses into the ue sound of puede. Hard to explain -but worth a listen to.
And he did score that goal against Liverpool in 1989.
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And he did score that goal against Liverpool in 1989.
A man of many talents (unfortunately-arsenals first title for 18 years) on and of the field. I suppose he must have done a lot of conjugating in the dressing room.
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I suppose he must have done a lot of conjugating in the dressing room.
I expect many do the same to pass the time. I used to conjugate in the car on my way to work .
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I expect many do the same to pass the time. I used to conjugate in the car on my way to work .
Yeah, I've seen what you cats do.
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a great site nI found was

www.wordchamp.com

has great drills and can teach the basics of conjugation
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