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Old 14th September 2008, 04:32 PM   #21
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That does it. Now I don't believe you exist.
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Old 14th September 2008, 06:20 PM   #22
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The usual batch of factoids thrown about by both sides.
All I know is the Earth has finite resources which we are using up faster and faster. It can also deal with a limited amount of our waste produced by using up resources.
So it seems common sense (IMHO) to stop using as much and to improve the way we get rid of what's left over after we've taken what we want.
Who needs scientific anything?
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Old 14th September 2008, 06:30 PM   #23
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Couldn't agree more - but I do my bit like many others by carefully segregating my waste for recycling only to discover that millions of tons of waste carefully segregated by the everyday man finishes up in landfill in India. Meanwhile failure to recycle items into the correct bin is subject to a hefty fine.

It leaves me with the feeling that those in charge are at best hypocritical and disingenuous, at worst downright negligent to the point of criminality. The older I get the less I trust the legislation and their information management, the global warming thing is just part of the whole thing.
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Old 14th September 2008, 06:38 PM   #24
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OK, I'm not a scientist but I do know a few facts and if one side simply ignores facts, is afraid to debate those facts, and simply diminishes them by calling people who bring them out as "flat earthers" then those are the people who my instincts tell me are probably not telling the truth. Here are a few of those facts.
Scientific "facts" have a shelf-life limited by the next discovery that disproves them. The new "fact" has a shelf-life limited by..... and so on. All one can argue is "on the basis of curent scientific understanding...."
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Old 14th September 2008, 06:43 PM   #25
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And the kyoto protocol is a gathering for role playing games.
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One thing is true: The skepticism to global warming doesn't exist in scientific comunity. If it existed:
1. There would be articles in magazines talking about it, and there isn't any.
2. There would be thousands of scientists screaming against the lie of global warming. And there are almost none of them.
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Gary, Gary, Global warming, you will embrace
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Old 14th September 2008, 08:30 PM   #28
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One thing is true: The skepticism to global warming doesn't exist in scientific comunity. If it existed:
1. There would be articles in magazines talking about it, and there isn't any.
2. There would be thousands of scientists screaming against the lie of global warming. And there are almost none of them.
I refer you to my previous post
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Gary, Gary, Global warming, you will embrace
Skeptical it is that I am.
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Old 14th September 2008, 09:55 PM   #29
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I think you're very unaware of how scientific publications work if you think that all of them are manipulated until the point of not publishing one single article against global warming.
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Old 14th September 2008, 10:59 PM   #30
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No, there is proof that this is not the case



No,there is no proof that either exist - you may close to believe or otherwise

The last really hot summer was in the mid nineties, also not due to global warming which, imho, is more hype than substance, my moneys on God rather than global warming
Of whom, of course, there is no proof of existence.
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For me the question of whether global warming exists or not or whether it is man-made or just the natural progression of the cycles of the climate is unimportant. What has transpired as a result of the debate is a good thing, however. And by that, I mean the focus on environmental issues: saving the "lungs" of the planet (the rain forests), the focus on recycling, all manner of "green" thinking.
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Of whom, of course, there is no proof of existence.
Glad somebody got the point!
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Did anyone watch BBC 1 last night?
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Did anyone watch BBC 1 last night?
I had it on my "To Do" list
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Did anyone watch BBC 1 last night?
I was forced to sit through Casualty.
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I was forced to sit through Casualty.
Luckily we lost the satellite signal so I escaped that!
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I think you're very unaware of how scientific publications work if you think that all of them are manipulated until the point of not publishing one single article against global warming.
Strange that when a different scientific perspective exists that the publications decline to publish any mention of it. I presume the magazines have publishers that pay for the print cost and production, advertisers that buy ad space and editors that select articles for publication based on what the publishers think will sell enough advertising to keep the magazine in profit anf therefore in production... As Bob Dylan sais "Open yer eyes and yer ears and yer influenced"... none of the people involved in the production of the magazine write the articles but they all are influenced with regard to what articles to puublish... or maybe the magazines just appear on the bookstands out of the ether?

The magazines are printing the stuff that their target demographic wants to hear... why print what they don't like and decrease circulation?

Welcome to the real world..

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Of course, I meant BBC 2.
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Of course, I meant BBC 2.
I was forced to sit through Casualty.
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I was forced to sit through Casualty.
The one where the ED gang find some video footage that explains Tess's disappearance, and Charlie leads the search to find her but things turn nasty on the hostile Farmead estate?

If you'd have turned over quickly you'd have seen the one where
Dr Iain Stewart traces the rise of global-warming sceptics in the 1990s. The Rio Earth Summit formalised a plan of action to tackle climate change. The consensus didn't last...

(Earth: The Climate Wars part2/3)
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