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Old 12th February 2007, 02:33 PM   #21
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2500 scientists (renown experts in global climate) would disagree /quote]

So what percentage of the total number of environmental scientists does that represent?

However, the answer is immaterial because its not opinions that matter --- its scientific facts that do. Scientific facts do not require agreement. They are independent of it. The only thing that can be truly agreed without doubt is that further research is required to understand the mechanism of climatic variation.
See Washington Post article below

Global Warning

The world's scientists agree, again, that climate change is a big problem.

Monday, February 5, 2007; Page A14

IT'S NOT quite the hurricane-force blow to skeptics of global warming that many climatologists would have preferred, but for a document drafted by hundreds of scientists representing 113 governments, the latest report from the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change, released Friday, is nevertheless full of frightening evidence and, we hope, policy-inducing conclusions.
Here are some of the more notable conclusions: There is no doubt that the planet is warming, according to all sorts of measures, from rising air and ocean temperatures to widespread melting of snow and ice. Increases in global temperature are "very likely" the result of higher concentrations of greenhouse gases, which are far higher now than they have been over the past 650,000 years. Policymakers should expect global temperatures to continue to rise, even if greenhouse gas concentrations stay at the levels of the year 2000. Continuing to release greenhouse gases at current rates would warm the Earth even more and would be "very likely" to yield much more severe consequences during this century than those we saw in the previous one. Sea levels will rise, heat waves and droughts will strike longer and more often, hurricanes will become more intense, and it will rain more in high latitudes.
Many climate scientists say the report doesn't go far enough. Michael Mann, a leading climatologist at Pennsylvania State University, welcomes the assessment, but he says that it probably underestimates how high oceans could rise over the next century or so, especially if the ice covering Greenland melts faster than expected. He may be right: Recent research on melting ice caps suggests that cracks in the ice will speed up the melting process.
The assessment's value does not lie in its innovative approach to describing global climate change. On the contrary, because so many individuals and organizations signed on, the report's strong language is virtually unassailable. Even the Bush administration hailed it, which makes the president's continued neglect of the issue particularly troubling. Now that leaders in the United States and abroad have agreed on the basics of the problem and the seriousness of the consequences, sound policy -- the likes of which President Bush continues to oppose -- should follow.
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Old 12th February 2007, 03:21 PM   #22
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See Washington Post article below
Yes, it does seem to disagree with Sunday Times report
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Old 16th February 2007, 11:22 AM   #23
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Ben es correcto quando dice que el clima es ciclico. Lo que no es ciclico es el nivel de CO2 que a aumentado aproximadamente 40% en el siglo veinte por causa de los humanos. .(El mundo es muy pequeño.) Es muy facil medirlo, (soy licenciado en quimica) y ahora es casi a el nivel mas alto durante un millon de años. CO2 calienta cualquier planeta donde existe. Los amigos de George Bush no negan nada de esto. No puedo entender los que no admitan la gravidad del problema.
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¿Vive Al Gore, el líder ecologista más famoso de EEUU, según sus principios? Sí, dicen sus portavoces. No, dice un centro de estudios de Tennessee cuyos responsables aseguran que, pese a "ir de verde" por la vida, el ex vicepresidente consume 20 veces más energía que una familia media.
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Old 28th February 2007, 10:08 AM   #25
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I mentioned on another post that I'm currently reading Estado de miedo (State of Fear) by Michael Crichton. It's all about climate change and the views of the opposing factions. He has found a way of presenting facts and statistics which doesn't turn off the reader and it has given me a far greater insight into the debate. I feel better informed for reading it and would recommend it to all.
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¿Vive Al Gore, el líder ecologista más famoso de EEUU, según sus principios? Sí, dicen sus portavoces. No, dice un centro de estudios de Tennessee cuyos responsables aseguran que, pese a "ir de verde" por la vida, el ex vicepresidente consume 20 veces más energía que una familia media.
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Old 20th March 2007, 01:34 AM   #28
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1. this type of attack from a right wing think tank is so typical of american politics it would be laughable if it weren't so disgusting and so serious. remember the swift boat veterans? by the time everyone figured out that the group and their claims were bogus, it was too late- the damage to John Kerry's reputation had been done because the story had taken on a life of its own.
2. Al Gore is an ex-vice president, international travelling millionaire. OF COURSE he's gonna use more energy than an average family!!
3. distracting from the debate by pointing fingers is juvenile and counter-productive.
4. i'm really about to puke in my tea

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Old 22nd March 2007, 10:16 PM   #29
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Here's Al Gore testifying on Capitol Hill yesterday ....

http://blog.algore.com/2007/03/als_t...the_house.html
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well, it's not all bad news these days. the smear campaign against gore has failed to gain traction, and people in washington finally want to hear what he has to say. let's all try to be a bit greener in the year to come. maybe not this green, but still, little efforts can make a big difference. ¡viva al gore!
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Old 2nd April 2007, 05:16 AM   #31
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Arrow "Watching the World Melt Away"

"60 Minutes" - one of the longest running and most prestigeous American television programs ever - aired a startling report tonight from Chile and Anarctica.

To view the program FIRST click on the link below and then select: "Watching the World Melt Away"

Then we must all determine what we can do individually to avert this certain catastrophe....

http://www.cbsnews.com/sections/60mi...main3415.shtml
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