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Old 11th January 2007, 11:17 AM   #41
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Thanks so much both Hispanista40 and Greytop for the explanations, which were clear enough even for me to follow! "Pedir" has been one of my nightmare verbs for a long time, even though the first thing I learnt with this verb is that it comes pre-packaged with the "for" that we add in English. I always want to add "para" to it when I use it, and have to bite my tongue to stop myself. Funny how I have no problem with "buscar" though, despite it working in a similar way.

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Old 11th January 2007, 11:28 AM   #42
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If you are a glutton for punishment and want to try some other free online tests, here are three more. The first one is most similar to the one already recommended.

http://www.geocities.com/athens/thebes/6177/spantest/spantest_intro.htm

http://www.necc.mass.edu/foreign_language/Spanish_Placement_Test.htm (For this one you actually write down your answers on paper and, at the end of the tests, there is a link to the answers so you can check them.)

http://www.foreignlanguages.ilstu.edu/undergrad/spanish/PlacementTests/Default.shtm
These tests are a fun way of learning but as they stand do not test your level. Usually there is a link suggesting you need to buy some software in order to improve yourself.
If you are a beginner at the stage of learning to read spanish then I think you should give yourself up to a minute to answer each question. For someone at the stage of email exchange, unless you can achieve a reasonable score giving yourself say half a minute for each question then the emails will become a little tiresome. Someone at the advanced stage of text chatting over the internet, then I think 10 secs on each question would give you a reasonable idea of your level. If you like to do voice chat then you should only allow at most a couple of seconds, preferably your answers should be instantaneous, as they would be in your native language.
I recently recorded myself in a skypecast with 2 native speakers, and later, listening to my grammar usage made me cringe. In a text chat my level increases considerably, and more so in an email exchange.
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Old 11th January 2007, 12:58 PM   #43
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yo tambien hice el examen y yo soy un intermediate B2. Que lastima que las repuestas correctas no son disponible. En un mes me voy a tratar otra vez para ver si he mejorada.
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Old 11th January 2007, 02:22 PM   #44
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These tests are a fun way of learning but as they stand do not test your level.
I quite agree that these tests are fun (in a strange sort of way) but aren't the best way to test one's level and record progress. They may give some indication of how much grammar we have covered but grammar, while important, isn't everything. In reading posts in the forum it seems to me that we are all genuinely interested in learning and using the language and in exploring the culture. We can study grammar rules, do workbook-type exercises, practice writing, etc. These things help, but I think most of us end up with very uneven levels of ability in the four skills (reading, writing, speaking, listening). My own personal reading and writing abilities are much stronger than my listening and speaking skills. One of the reasons I so deeply value what Ben and Marina have started here is that they offer us ways of improving in the two areas that are hard to do through self-study or even classes. We've probably all taken classes that come with listening components. While they have improved tremendously in recent years, they still aren't as natural as what Ben and Marina provide in the podcasts. Even though we may speak in our Spanish classes, we don't normally get the individual help we need. I can't wait to do the conversations with Marina, though I know it will be a very humbling experience.

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If you are a beginner at the stage of learning to read spanish then I think you should give yourself up to a minute to answer each question. For someone at the stage of email exchange, unless you can achieve a reasonable score giving yourself say half a minute for each question then the emails will become a little tiresome. Someone at the advanced stage of text chatting over the internet, then I think 10 secs on each question would give you a reasonable idea of your level. If you like to do voice chat then you should only allow at most a couple of seconds, preferably your answers should be instantaneous, as they would be in your native language
I agree that how quickly and easily we can choose the right answer matters. If we have to pour over the question and review the sequence of tenses, rules for the subjunctive, etc. before recognizing the right answer, we haven't really internalized the grammar. Since these things ideally should be automatic and natural, I sometimes try to assess my level and improvement by trying to both write and speak about a topic, trying to include the content I would in English, and see where I am at a loss for words or can't figure out a way to express something. Lots of holes in my vocabulary!!

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I recently recorded myself in a skypecast with 2 native speakers, and later, listening to my grammar usage made me cringe. In a text chat my level increases considerably, and more so in an email exchange.
I can empathize. It's one thing to do it on paper, when we usually have time to think and edit. Speaking really lays it all out there--and can be quite humbling. Time and practice is what we all need. One without the other won't get us there--though extended time in Spain would be better than where I live.
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