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Old 26th August 2009, 03:59 PM   #1
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Default Itallian and Spanish are the same language?

I've been learning Spanish for a few week and am addicted! I've always enjoyed learning stuff, and watching the Discovery Channel wasn't cutting it for me anymore. So I started learning a language....

So I've been lurking here and decided to register and post my first post! Woo!

Any way my question is an odd one and an interesting one.

My source tells me that Spanish and Italian are the same language.

Now clearly that is not the case, yet I visited an Italian restaurant on Saturday and was able to recognise many many more words on the menu than before.

How similar is Spanish and Itallian?
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Old 26th August 2009, 05:07 PM   #2
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Mr. X jajaja ¡Qué bueno! recuerdo ese capítulo.

El español y el italiano son bastante parecidos, pero obviamente no iguales. Cuando fui a Italia yo hablaba en castellano y los italianos en italiano y más o menos nos entendiamos, pero no soy capaz de hablar en italiano y un italiano que no haya estudiado español tampoco es capaz de hablar en español.

Las palabras españolas que vienen del latín suelen parecerse a las palabras italianas (también depende de como hayan evolucionado), pero hay otras que vienen del griego o del árabe que no se parecen.

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Old 26th August 2009, 09:24 PM   #3
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Sí, estoy de acuerdo con lo que ha dicho Calcetina.

El español y el italiano se entienden bien, pero no son iguales. Una vez, cuando estaba en una parada del Metro de Madrid, una pareja italiana me pidió direcciones en italiano, y entendí la mayoría. Cuando les respondí, me entendieron suficiente también.

Spanish and Italian are very similar, but obviously not completely. An Italian couple stopped me in the Madrid Metro once and asked for directions in Italian. I could understand enough of what they said to give them directions, and they could understand what I said as well.

I've found the oral aspect of the languages is more similar than the written, though; but maybe that's just me. For example, "che" in Italian is pronounced like Spanish "que." The Spanish would not pronounce a written "che" like that, but when an Italian says it, it sounds like "que."
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Old 27th August 2009, 12:37 PM   #4
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I've found the oral aspect of the languages is more similar than the written, though; but maybe that's just me. For example, "che" in Italian is pronounced like Spanish "que." The Spanish would not pronounce a written "che" like that, but when an Italian says it, it sounds like "que."
Another example that comes to mind is with words like año. The ñ character does not exist in Italian so año become anno in Italian and whilst the pronounciation is not the same it is close enough to be understood. As with the Spanish word you have to pronounce the double n or else you get a very different word.
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Old 27th August 2009, 10:27 PM   #5
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Another example that comes to mind is with words like año. The ñ character does not exist in Italian so año become anno in Italian and whilst the pronounciation is not the same it is close enough to be understood. As with the Spanish word you have to pronounce the double n or else you get a very different word.
oh yes, and to say..... tengo 49 anos .... estaria un poco extrannno
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Old 28th August 2009, 01:50 AM   #6
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According to Ethnologue, there's a 82% of mutual intelligibility between both languages.
Italian has more intelligibility with French (89%), Catalan (87%) and Sardinian (85%). Spanish has more with Portuguese (89%) and Catalan (85%).

Don't be fooled by the similarity in written texts. Since all Romance languages' orthography ultimately derives from Latin, they look more similar than they are when spoken. I've been able to understand some research paper in Romanian, except for only two words (both borrowed from Slavic languages and full of Ks and Ws).
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Old 28th August 2009, 10:04 AM   #7
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Soy italiano, y ahora estoy estudiando español. Los dos idiomas son muy parecidos, pero hay muchas diferencias también. Muchas palabras son casi iguales, pero hay muchos falsos amigos (por ejemplo, burro en italiano significa mantequilla, largo significa ancho, topo significa ratón, etcétera). Sin embargo por un italiano es muy fácil aprender el español, por lo menos a nivel básico.
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Old 28th August 2009, 12:32 PM   #8
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I'm sure I remember reading that the Spanish languages may have come from an old form of Italian, rather than Latin which was not spoken by the "common man" or the soldiers of the Roman Empire. The author used grammar differences between Spanish and Latin to justify his claims.
Just wish I could remember some of the 5 years of school Latin - or even my name some days
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Old 30th August 2009, 12:31 AM   #9
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Don't be fooled by the similarity in written texts. Since all Romance languages' orthography ultimately derives from Latin, they look more similar than they are when spoken. I've been able to understand some research paper in Romanian, except for only two words (both borrowed from Slavic languages and full of Ks and Ws).
I have a work colleague who is of Romanian orgin and he is always telling that it is very easy for Romanians to understand Italian. Interesting stuff.
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I meet plenty of Romanians at work (many of them do not speak Spanish) and I can only understand a couple of words in a ten-minute conversation.
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Old 30th August 2009, 01:21 AM   #11
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This thread is very interesting, would anyone recommend trying to learn Italian whilst learning spanish, or would that just be too difficult?

Este hilo es muy interesante, hay que alguien me recomendaría tratar aprender Italiano mientras aprendo español, o lo estaría tan/ demasiado difícil?
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Just wish I could remember some of the 5 years of school Latin - or even my name some days
Most of us would do well to learn half of what you forgot.
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